Founder of Defense Distributed, Cody Wilson
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Cody Wilson: 'The real utopia is right now'

Self described crypto-anarchist Cody Wilson, who made the first 3D printed gun, has told BBC HARDtalk the shadow economy has become the largest in the world as a consequence of "byzantine" state regulations.

Mr Wilson said that rather looking to the future, the real cyber utopia was in the present.

He said the internet was a powerful tool for both states and individuals, adding: "There is no way to separate the eminence of the mechanisms of control from what would ostensibly be the techniques of liberation."

Watch more clips at HARDtalk's website

You can see the full interview on BBC World News at 16:30 and 21:30 GMT on Wednesday 12 March and on the BBC News Channel on Thursday 13 March at 00:30 GMT.

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