Radio in Wales wakes up to the digital future
Fewer people are turning on to their local radio stations in Wales - according to the latest audience figures.
The number of weekly listeners to BBC Radio Wales and BBC Radio Cymru both rose in the last three months of 2014.
Some commercial stations also put on listeners too, while more are listening on digital radios.
But overall the numbers listening in have fallen.
The latest quarterly figures have been released by the audience research company Rajar.
Martin Mumford, managing director of Town and Country Broadcasting, is responsible for several stations in Wales including Radio Ceredigion, Radio Carmarthenshire and Nation Radio - which broadcasts from a studio in the Vale of Glamorgan.
After changes and rebranding in the industry and challenges of the internet, he says people still want to turn on and he sees a healthy 20 years ahead for radio.
05 Feb 2015