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Summary

  1. Updates on Tuesday 5 July 2016

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All times stated are UK

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That's it from us

We've come to the end of today's live page on Southern's cuts - we hope you enjoyed our text and video updates.

A quick summary of today's train news:

  • Southern has confirmed 341 train services have been cut
  • The cuts will last for four weeks and will then be reviewed
  • RMT claims crisis has been caused by "gross mismanagement" from Southern

You can still have your say by tweeting #southerncuts, or getting in contact with us through Facebook or email.

You've been having your say on Facebook

Here's some of your comments from Facebook on the Southern cuts announced today.

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Call for extra passenger compensation

Peter Kyle, who is the MP for Hove, has said he has written to the Transport Secretary wanting to know what arrangements for compensation will be made for those passengers affected by Southern's cuts.

Peter Kyle
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Which services will be cut?

Take a look at where the cuts earmarked by Southern are likely to take place:  

RMT: Sickness was 'not unofficial action'

Paul Cox, from the RMT, denied high sickness levels were being used as unofficial industrial action. The union leader gave evidence before the Transport Select Committee earlier.

'Unprecedented' staff sickness

Responding to allegations that staff were taking unsanctioned industrial action, Charles Horton, from Southern, said the level of sickness was "unprecedented". He was giving evidence at the Transport Select Committee earlier.

'I will never go on strike'

Another email shows the frustration felt by commuters who use Southern rail.

Sussex MP: 'Horror' at rail dispute

One of the members of the committee Huw Merriman, who is the MP for Bexhill and Battle, said he was "horrified" by the situation with the RMT and Southern Rail

'We should get fare reduction'

Commuters have been getting in contact with us to express their anger over the dispute.

Please tweet us using #Southerncuts, or you can use Facebook or email.    

RMT: 'Staff not to blame'

Giving evidence earlier at the Transport Select Committee, Mich Cash from the RMT said the chaos at Southern was down to poor management. He said staff were not to blame.  

What's your experience of Southern rail?

BBC Sussex is running a survey on Southern rail and the service it's offering.

You can have your say here.

Commuters protesting at Brighton station
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Commuters staged a protest at Brighton station

Analysis: 'Problem lies with coastal service'

So what impact will the train cuts have on Southern commuters? Our reporter Juliette Parkin, at Brighton station, has this analysis:

'We can fly a spacecraft to Jupiter but getting from Worthing to Brighton...'

You've been having your say on twitter using #southerncuts.

We can fly a spacecraft to Jupiter, but getting from Worthing - Brighton by train is far more challenging! #southerncuts

@SouthernRailUK Given MONTHS of "temporary" driver sickness, I can only presume they've been hit by some kind of plague? #southerncuts

I agree with @LouiseEllman - "the current situation is totally unacceptable" - but cutting 340 services not the answer #southerncuts

'Beyond a joke'

Paula has emailed us asking for action to be taken. 

Please tweet using #Southerncuts, or you can Facebook or email us.  

Lunchtime weather

Kate Kinsella

Weather presenter

So what will the weather be like this afternoon for Southern passengers (and everyone else)?

Here's my forecast.

Commuting mother: 'I can’t face seeing signs that say ‘cancelled, cancelled, cancelled’'

Claire Cottingham

Lorna Cobbett, who gave birth to premature triplets, one of whom suffered catastrophic brain injuries, says she’s already getting "stressed" and "anxious" about going back to work in case she can’t get back to see her children.

Lorna from Horsham, in West Sussex, commutes to London and is preparing to go back to work in September.

Analysis: 'Frustrating for all involved'

Bob Dale

Live from Westminster

This was a frustrating session for all involved.

Everyone agreed Southern's performance of late has been unacceptable, but on how it should be fixed both sides seem as far apart as ever.

Southern train and passenger getting on
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Southern bosses and RMT officials were quizzed by MPs on the Transport Select Committee

Mick Cash of the RMT was adamant that there'd be no backing down on the union's demand that guards remain on trains. He also denied that the increase in levels of sickness was unofficial industrial action, blaming stress.

Charles Horton of Southern's parent company Govia, repeated the operator's apologies to passengers, but was equally resolute in his position that guards would no longer be responsible for closing train doors.

'My children were better behaved'

Paul Horner, a commercial manager at Transport for London (TfL), has emailed us to express his anger today - suggesting the unions and Southern were behaving worse than his children.

Louise Ellman MP: 'It's clear the franchise is not being run properly'

Bob Dale

Reporting live from Westminster

Louise Ellman MP, chair of the Transport Select Committee, said "something has to be done and done quickly" over the chaos on Southern routes.

Key points from today

  • Southern has confirmed 341 train services have been cut.
  • The cuts will last for four weeks and will then be reviewed
  • RMT claims crisis has been caused by "gross mismanagement" from Southern

Have your say by tweeting #southerncuts, or getting in contact with us through Facebook or email.

'Some kind of plague?'

You've been telling us what you think of the dispute between Southern and the RMT. 

Please continue by using the hashtag #Southerncuts, or you can Facebook or email us.

@SouthernRailUK Given MONTHS of "temporary" driver sickness, I can only presume they've been hit by some kind of plague? #southerncuts

A great example of an organisation treating staff and customers as 'functional objects' rather than human beings and failing #southerncuts

#southerncuts passengers yesterday were asked over the tannoy to operate faulty train door manually after each stop. #needconductors

Good news for holidaymakers?

Stuart Maisner

Dyan Crowther, the chief operating officer of Southern, said the impact of changes to the timetable for holidaymakers travelling to Gatwick Airport had been "thought through".

'Current situation is totally unacceptable'

Louise Ellman MP, chairwoman of the Transport Select Committee, said: "Today’s evidence session reflected the high volume of correspondence we had from angry passengers who use the Southern Railway network.

"It is clear that the current situation is totally unacceptable and you only have to look at the number of delays and cancellations, and the impact these have on passengers, to realise that these problems need to be addressed immediately.

Louise Ellman MP, chair of the Transport Select Committee
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Louise Ellman MP, chair of the Transport Select Committee

“We will watch carefully to see how the new emergency timetable, with its planned cancellations, helps and how the operator and unions can work together to find a permanent solution that improves the poor services passengers have suffered for too long."

Huw Merriman: 'Someone needs to bang heads together'

Bob Dale

Reporting live from Westminster

Huw Merriman, who is the MP for Bexhill and Battle, said "someone needs to bang heads together" to find a solution between Southern and the RMT.

No direct trains between Tonbridge and Victoria

Claire Cottingham

GTR have clarified there will be no direct trains between Tonbridge and Victoria when the revised timetable comes in on Monday. 

Passengers will have to change at Redhill.

'Is this some kind of olive branch?'

You've had your say on Twitter using the hashtag #southerncuts. Here's a selection of some of your frustrated (and humorous) tweets.

NASA send Juno 365m miles on time bang on cue. Southern please seek tips from them as 45miles to London seems beyond you. #southerncuts

So @SouthernRailUK are merely reintroducting existing staff deal and we're supposed to see this as some kind of olive branch?? #southerncuts

Where do I begin. Awful service. Archaic way of claiming vouchers. 15% refund on my £4K season ticket please #Southerncuts @BBCSussex

Sickness was 'not unofficial action'

During the select committee Paul Cox, from the RMT, denied high sickness levels were unofficial industrial action.

Strike-hit Southern rail axes hundreds of trains

Hundreds of rail services have been axed by Southern rail under a revised timetable in response to ongoing cancellations and delays.  

Read the story here.

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Southern is cutting services as part of a revised timetable

'Unacceptable and appalling'

Caroline Lucas, the Green Party MP for Brighton Pavilion, expressed her outrage over the #southerncuts to BBC Sussex.

We're saying nothing...

Claire Cottingham

Analysis on Southern Cuts: 'Glimmer of hope?'

Tom Edwards

Transport Correspondent, BBC London

What Southern seems to be doing is reducing the services on less heavily-used lines to bolster and give stability to the main commuter routes into London.

It claims 95% of normal capacity will run into Victoria. Long-suffering commuters will take all of that with a pinch of salt after months of problems. But if you’re being optimistic about this dispute there is a shard of a glimmer of hope.

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Southern is reducing services on less heavily-used routes

Southern have so far been extremely unmoving and some would say aggressive in its dealing with the RMT Union. It withdrew free travel leisure passes for conductors and a mutual shift swap system which gave flexibility to working patterns. That caused huge resentment amongst staff. Today it announced it would be re-instating those.

RMT strike in Brighton
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The dispute relates to driver-only trains and a change in conductors' roles

While it does seem the company is intent on introducing changes to the role of conductor by August - and it is difficult to see a way out of this stalemate - this is the first time we have seen a slight thaw in this dispute. 

Southern finish giving evidence

Southern's Charles Horton and Dyan Crowther have finished giving evidence to the MPs on the Transport Select Committee.

We will be having all the reaction to what they - and the RMT said - on this live page. 

Please tweet using #Southerncuts, or you can Facebook or email us.

'No easy choices'

Charles Horton: "When you're cancelling this many services there are no easy choices.

"We think we have done the most appropriate service pattern we can."

Charles Horton
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Charles Horton defended Southern while giving evidence

So when will passengers be able to rely on the service?

Louise Ellman MP asked Charles Horton when passengers will be able to rely on the service to get them home on time.

He said: "Monday next week. This is when the amended timetable comes into force."

Passengers will be keeping their fingers crossed.  

Louise Ellman
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Louise Ellman is the chairwoman of the committee

Staff sickness was 'unprecedented'

Responding to allegations that staff were taking unsanctioned industrial action, Charles Horton, from Southern, said the level of sickness was "unprecedented".

'Tired of the same old excuses'

Claire Cottingham

Get involved - you can tweet us using #Southerncutsemail or Facebook us now.

Charles Horton blames LBG works, RMT strikes, staff shortages.. leaves on the line next?? Tired of the same old excuses #southerncuts

The failure of .@SouthernRailUK is also the failure of this government. We want to see them given penalties & real ultimatums. #SouthernCuts

@SouthernRailUK can you explain to my employer why I'll be in work 15 minutes later now? #southerncuts

'Energy, enthusiasm and commitment'

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Southern said they were the right company to run the franchise

Charles Horton says the company has "energy, enthusiasm and commitment" to run the franchise.

He said the company was "committed to delivering on the promises and commitments" they have made. 

'I am very, very sorry, genuinely sorry'

I am very, very sorry, genuinely sorry, for all the customers who have been badly inconvenienced. We are working very, very hard to get people back to work..."

Charles HortonSouthern

Southern: 'No government approval'

Southern has denied the Department of Transport and the company were jointly deciding what action should be taken against staff.  

The Department for Transport has not approved the plan we put in place."

Charles HortonSouthern

Claiming Delay Repay 'very straightforward'

Charles Horton was asked about passengers being able to claim Delay Repay compensation for late or cancelled train services.

He said: "Delay Repay is based on what they (passengers) would normally get.

"Many of them will be claiming Delay Repay on a regular basis based against the normal timetable."

He added: "The process of claiming Delay Repay is very straightforward."

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Passengers can claim compensation for some late or cancelled trains