At-a-glance: Key bits of Clegg v Farage EU debate

Nigel Farage said he wanted to "topple the establishment"

Nick Clegg and Nigel Farage have slugged it out in the second of two debates on Britain's future in Europe. Here's how they did.

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Who won?

UKIP leader Nigel Farage was the clear winner, according to two snap polls - and by a bigger margin than last week. YouGov's poll for The Sun gave the debate to Mr Farage by 68% to 27%, while an ICM poll for the Guardian suggested 69% of people watching thought the UKIP man came out on top. The BBC's chief political correspondent Norman Smith suggested Mr Clegg may have been trying too hard after criticism he lacked passion in last week's debate. In her analysis of the debate, the BBC's Eleanor Garnier said: "It did feel a little bit like they'd swapped the parts they'd played last time."

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Social media reaction

Thousands of viewers joined in the debate on Twitter. There was a big spike in conversation around the official hashtag #EuropeDebate when it kicked off and there were an estimated 38,000 tweets in total for that term over the course of the hour. Other terms that were trending included #Europedebate, #bbcdebate and Clegg v Farage.

Twitter poll

Two of the most tweeted moments were the exchanges on immigration and Mr Farage's closing speech - there was also a surge in chat when David Dimbleby called the UKIP leader "Nick Farage".

"Let me be the first to wish Nick Farage a happy 50th," said @jasonMcCrossan,

"Nick Farage" Good luck sleeping tonight with that image in your head," said @IainCollins.

There were 14,000 tweets mentioning @Nick_Clegg, Nick Clegg, Nigel Farage and @Nigel_Farage, according to analysts Topsy. Nigel Farage got 8,000 mentions to his Lib Dem rival's 6,000.

But there was some consolation for Mr Clegg from analysts Brandwatch and MHP public affairs who said he gained more positive mentions on social media than the UKIP leader.

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What was the mood like?
Nick Clegg and Nigel Farage

Much more fiery than last week - the two men had obviously got the measure of each other and went on the attack almost from the off. Mr Clegg had a welter of jokes prepared, as he tried to paint the UKIP leader as a dangerous fantasist, living in a bygone age - and suggesting, not too subtly, that he was not a serious politician. Mr Farage did his best not to rise to the bait but also delivered a few "low blows" of his own, accusing the Lib Dem man of "wilfully lying" about the extent of Brussels' control of UK laws. He also threw a few curve balls - warning that the EU could end "unpleasantly" due to the rise of the far right, and saying the "white working class" had been turned into an "underclass" by "uncontrolled" EU immigration.

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Key quotes

Nick Clegg: "If you do what Nigel Farage recommends and you isolate Britain, sort of Billy-No-Mates Britain - well it will be worse than that - it will be Billy-No-Jobs Britain, a Billy-No-Influence Britain."

Nick Clegg: "My passion is what I think is right for Britain in the modern world. I don't think turn the clock back to a world which doesn't exist anymore. I think we're always better when we work with other countries on issues. Climate change - I know Nigel Farage denies climate change exists - terrorism, crime, all the kind of things we can't deal with on our own in this modern world of ours."

Nigel Farage: "I want the EU to end but I want it to end democratically. If it doesn't end democratically I'm afraid it will end very unpleasantly."

Nigel Farage: "Let's free ourselves up and in doing so let's give an example to the rest of Europe. I know the people are behind this. I would urge people - come and join the people's army. Let's topple the establishment who got us into this mess."

Nigel Farage and Nick Clegg exchange barbs

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Clash over Putin

The two men clashed on Nigel Farage's claim that Vladimir Putin was a "brilliant" political strategist and the UKIP man's attack on EU foreign policy. He said: "This country, Nick, has had enough of getting involved in dangerous foreign wars. There is no evidence that our military intervention in these countries is making things better. With you as deputy prime minister we bombed Libya and it is worse now than it was then." Mr Clegg said Mr Farage's views on Mr Putin were reminiscent of a "pub bar discussion" - and his claims the EU wanted its own army were a "dangerous fantasy that is simply not true".

Nick Clegg: "Nigel Farage says he... 'admires' how Vladimir Putin has behaved [in Syria]"

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The leaflet battles

They locked horns over a UKIP leaflet - featuring a picture of a Native American - which Mr Clegg said suggested that if the British people ignore immigration, they would "end up on a reservation". Mr Farage said he did not "recognise" the leaflet and did not "endorse its sentiments". The UKIP leader had his own leaflet to brandish later in the debate - one which featured Mr Clegg promising a referendum on the European Union.

Mr Clegg and Mr Farage both produced leaflets during the debate

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And, once again, the men clashed over statistics - although not as much as they did in the LBC debate. The main flashpoint was the extent to which Britain's laws are made in Brussels. Mr Clegg claimed it was only about 7%. He also said the European Commission only employed the same amount of staff as Derbyshire County Council. Mr Farage told the Lib Dem leader: "When I said yes to these debates I thought you would honestly make the pro-EU case. "By saying 7% of our laws are made in Brussels, you are wilfully lying to the British people about the extent to which we have given control of our country and our democracy and I am really shocked and surprised you would do that."

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Here are some graphs
Chart showing cost of EU membership
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The host
David Dimbleby

A polished performance as you'd expect - the only real wobble came when, at one point, he called the UKIP leader "Nick Farage", but - old pro that he is - Dimbleby got through it. "I will get their Christian names right this time," the veteran BBC broadcaster - who hosted the last BBC TV debate on Europe 40 years ago - joked as he closed the show.

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The jokes
Nigel Farage and Nick Clegg

Mr Clegg was doing his best to exercise the audience's chuckle muscles, with mixed results. "Nigel is a conspiracy theorist... I wouldn't be surprised if he told us that Elvis isn't dead," he said near the start, to groans from the pundits gathered in the "spin room" next to the BBC's radio theatre. His joke that Mr Farage wanted to be "Crazy Horse or Sitting Bull" and that the UKIP leader was stuck "in the 19th Century" and would suggest "WG Grace opened the bat for England again" raised a few laughs.

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What the pundits said
Composite image of Sun and Mirror front pages

Sun political editor Tom Newton Dunn told BBC News Mr Clegg had tried to out-Farage Farage by making jokes, but "it did not work".

The Daily Mirror's Kevin Maguire wrote: "Verdict? Nick Clegg beat Nigel Farage in tonight's European debate. NC started stronger before NF rallied."

The Daily Mail's Andrew Pierce wrote: "Resounding victory for Farage with Clegg shouty and bad tempered as he realised he was drowning."

The Guardian's Nicholas Watt wrote: "The most nervous person after @nick_clegg loss in #NickvNigel? @David_Cameron who now knows he will need major EU reform to win referendum."

And The Times' Sam Coates wrote: "City of London and big business will look & worry about tonight's debate: showed how hard it is to win pro-EU arguments in populist forum."

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How the two sides spun it
The BBC's post-debate spin room The BBC's Norman Smith in the post-debate "spin room"

They both claimed their man had won, of course. Lib Dem minister Danny Alexander even managed to squeeze in a joke that may have been left on the cutting room floor during debate prep, describing the UKIP leader as "Nigel Mirage". "I think tonight Nick Clegg demonstrated the real passion he has for this argument," said the Treasury chief secretary. "The strong basis of his argument - and ours as Liberal Democrats - is that we will be stronger and more effective in the EU." UKIP deputy leader Paul Nuttall denied Mr Farage had delivered a "low blow" to his Lib Dem counterpart over the allegation he had lied to the public. "I think you can have as much passion as you want, but if you're wrong, you're wrong. Nick Clegg is wrong on this."

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Fact checking - by Anthony Reuben and Emily Craig

Nigel Farage's claim that the EU makes 75% of UK law was based on UKIP's own calculations. The party used a 2005 German government study, which said the equivalent figure for Germany was 84% and revised the figure downwards in light of the fact Britain didn't join the single currency.

Nick Clegg said nine out of 10 new jobs have been going to British workers. These figures come from the Labour Force Survey, but they include migrants who subsequently became citizens. Indeed, one third of new jobs went to such people, although they make up only 13% of the population.

Nigel Farage said "they sell us more than we sell them". In 2013 the UK's exports to the EU totalled £154bn while we imported £218bn worth of goods.

Nigel Farage says that our membership of the EU costs £55m a day, which is £20bn a year. That's a gross figure, so it excludes the UK's rebate and payments made to UK farmers, for example. The Office for Budget Responsibility puts that gross figure at £45m a day. The Treasury puts the net figure, which takes account of things like the rebate, at £24m a day. The European Commission takes into account even more payments to the UK to give a net figure of £17m a day.

Nick Clegg said the European Commission employs fewer people than Derbyshire County Council. According to the council, it employs around 35,000 people - but that includes some 8,000 teachers. Meanwhile the European Commission employs just over 33,000 people (although that doesn't include staff working at the parliament or in the European Council).

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    16:41: Gordon Brown's last Commons debate?
    Gordon Brown speaking during a press conference to announce he is standing down as an MP, at The Kirkcaldy Old Kirk Trust

    Gordon Brown will return to the floor of the Commons next Wednesday evening for what some speculate could be his last appearance in the chamber. The ex-PM has secured a brief debate on 'Scottish representation in the Union' - the subject which has galvanised the final 12 months of his parliamentary career. "Gordon Brown's last stand in the Commons," as Scotsman journalist David Maddox puts it on Twitter.

    16:40: Iraq Inquiry motion agreed House of Commons Parliament

    MPs have agreed a motion asking the Iraq Inquiry to publish a timetable for publication and an explanation of the causes of the delay by 12 February 2015.

    @patrickwintour Patrick Wintour, political editor of The Guardian

    tweets: Unite on its £1.5m donation to Labour. "The Government should not be allowed to float to re-election on a tide of big business cash" .

    @simonwjones01 Simon Jones, BBC parliamentary reporter

    tweets: Anger at #Chilcot delays, extremism worries in #schools & the #Beano. @cripeswatson with the best of #TodayinParliament @BBCRadio4 2330.

    16:27: ScotCen poll predicts Labour down to nine seats in Scotland

    ScotCen - part of the UK-wide social research institute NatCen - has published its first poll of polls. Its headline voting intention, based on the last four published voter surveys, highlights the challenge for Labour in Scotland. This is their projected result for Scotland's 59 parliamentary seats at the general election.

    • SNP: 49
    • Labour: 9
    • Liberal Democrats: 1
    • Conservatives: 0
    16:21: Labour: Data loss an 'appalling lapse'

    Shadow justice secretary Sadiq Khan has criticised the Ministry of Justice's loss of data from three inquiries as an "appalling lapse in security".

    "It would be disastrous if this data got into the wrong hands. The justice secretary needs to get an urgent grip on this situation and set out what the government is doing to find this data and reassure the public that measures are in place to prevent it happening again," Mr Khan said.

    @bbcquestiontime 16:03: Question Time preview
    Question Time panel

    On BBC Two at 22:45, David Dimbleby presents topical debate from Wrexham in Wales. The panel includes Conservative Culture Secretary Sajid Javid MP, former Labour secretary of state for Wales, Peter Hain MP, Plaid Cymru's economy spokesman Rhun ap Iorwerth AM, author and critic Germaine Greer and Telegraph blogger Kate Maltby.

    16:00: Miliband in Glasgow
    Ed Miliband and Jim Murphy

    Ed Miliband has been in Glasgow alongside recently-appointed Scottish Labour leader Jim Murphy. "We're not planning for that," he said when pressed on whether Labour could form a post-election coalition with the Scottish National Party.

    16:00: What about Sinn Fein?
    Sinn Fein's Gerry Adams

    Northern Ireland Secretary Theresa Villiers has intervened in the debate over the election TV debates. She says it's "bizarre" that the broadcasters aren't intending to include parties from Northern Ireland when the plans do include those from Scotland and Wales. In her view, the broadcasters now have a "real problem" on their hands.

    15:52: Norman Smith BBC Assistant Political Editor

    BBC assistant political editor Norman Smith says that after announcing it would donate £1.5 million to the Labour Party's campaign funds, the union Unite says it "may consider further support in due course" to the party's general election campaign.

    Norman Smith, BBC News Assistant Political Editor

    tweets: Total campaign dontions from @unitetheunion to Labour so far = £2.5 million

    @BBCGen2015 15:50: Are you a young voter?
    BBC Generation 2015 logo

    If you are aged between 18 and 24, and eligible to vote in May's General Election, the BBC wants to hear from you.

    We are building Generation 2015, a UK-wide group of young voters who will take part in local and national BBC programmes in the run up to the general election in May.

    You could find yourself on the One Show, Radio 1 Newsbeat, or Newsnight - in fact, anywhere across BBC output where the election is being discussed.

    You can find out more, and apply (deadline is midnight on Monday) here.

    Missing data

    Data relating to three inquiries, including two fatal police shootings, have gone missing in the post, the Ministry of Justice says. A spokeswoman for the Information Commissioner's Office tells the BBC: "We have recently been made aware of a possible data breach involving the Ministry of Justice. We will be making enquiries into the circumstances of the alleged breach before deciding what action, if any, needs to be taken."

    @michaelsavage Michael Savage, chief political correspondent for The Times

    tweets: The executive council of the Unite union has agreed today to donate £1.5 million to the Labour Party's campaign funds.

    Papers for parties? London Evening Standard Newspaper

    Writing in the Evening Standard, Roy Greenslade, a media commentator and Professor of Journalism at City University, London, says: "The national press has become more genuinely independent of party than at any time since World War Two. The formal links have been broken, and their allegiance is no longer assured."

    He adds: "Newspapers have turned on politicians as a breed, encouraging public cynicism towards politics itself."

    Cameron in Exeter

    The party leaders are out and about today, with David Cameron visiting Exeter Science Park.

    In a press release issued by the science park, the prime minister spoke of the importance of "giving local communities the power and the money to unlock growth and development and make the spending decisions that work for them".

    David Cameron in Exeter
    @Kevin_Maguire Kevin Maguire, Daily Mirror associate editor

    tweets: Oooop...Sinn Fein's Pat Doherty says he was approached by Tory MP asking if the party would take its seats. Look forward to new Con poster

    15:36: Labour "completely out-played" over NHS The Independent

    The Independent on Sunday's chief political commentator John Rentoul says: "If the NHS is Labour's strongest issue in the election campaign, the party will need to do better than this."

    Commenting on the ongoing row over whether or not Ed Miliband spoke of "weaponising" the NHS, Mr Rentoul says the Labour leader "has played politics with the NHS and Cameron has played politics with Miliband's playing politics, and the Labour leader has been completely out-played".

    15:33: Boris on a 'Brexit'

    London Mayor Boris Johnson continues in his Time magazine article on a theoretical British exit from the European Union: "I must be clear. I think there would be a pretty testy, scratchy period... [but] it wouldn't be disastrous." Mr Johnson also fails to rule out running in a US election (he holds dual citizenship), but he rejects any comparisons with Winston Churchill outright. "My resemblance to Churchill is as great as my resemblance to a three-toed sloth," he says.

    15:29: Boris on a 'Brexit'
    Boris Johnson at the Conservative party conference

    London Mayor Boris Johnson has given an interview to Time magazine in which he offers a fairly positive prediction on what would happen if Britain left the European Union. "I think Brexit is possible ... [Britain] would very rapidly come to an alternative arrangement that protected our basic trading interests," he says.

    @daily_politics BBC Daily Politics
    Fracking protesters

    tweets: Shale gas and #fracking plan hold-ups across the UK, reports @EllieJPrice in #bbcdp film from #Lancashire

    15:11: Missing data Dominic Casciani Home affairs correspondent, BBC News

    BBC home affairs correspondent Dominic Casciani reports that the government so far thinks there was no "malicious intent" relating to the missing data, but one member of staff has been suspended. Concurrent investigations are being conducted by the Ministry of Justice and the Information Commissioner.

    15:06: Miliband responds to Milburn's NHS attack
    Ed Miliband

    Ed Miliband has responded to criticism earlier this week of the party's NHS plans by the former Labour health secretary, Alan Milburn. Mr Milburn warned it would be a "fatal mistake" not to promise reform as well as extra funding.

    Mr Miliband said: "We're putting a very clear offer to the people of Britain on the National Health Service. Labour is the only party with a funded and credible plan to raise extra resources for the NHS for more doctors, nurses, midwives and care workers. It's a plan to invest in the NHS and to reform it as well, linking it up from home to hospital."

    15:01: Missing data Danny Shaw Home affairs correspondent, BBC News
    Ministry of justice

    As we've been reporting, discs containing information from three of the UK's most sensitive inquiries have gone missing after being put in the post. The material relates to inquiries into the role of the police in the deaths of three members of the public - including Mark Duggan and Azelle Rodney. The Metropolitan Police - whose officers were involved in those cases - says it is taking the data breach "very seriously".

    The Met says it has "risk assessed" the material and taken "appropriate" steps, as well as offering its support to the Ministry of Justice investigation. But it is not conducting its own investigation.

    @BBCDomC Dominic Casciani, BBC Home Affairs Correspondent

    tweets: Missing data story: Ministry of Justice won't say what's missing, where it was sent from and who to. No evidence so far it was malicious


    tweets: Major investigation involving security-vetted lawyers. Officials won't say if missing info includes personal details of protected witnesses

    14:46: 'Come to terms with failure' in Iraq House of Commons Parliament
    Rory Stewart

    Conservative MP Rory Stewart says a major factor in the continuing debate on the Iraq war is an inability "to come to terms with failure, our inability to come to terms with what went wrong in Iraq".

    The chairman of the Defence Select Committee argues that the debate "can't just be reduced to legality and post-war planning" but is about the UK's role in the world and understanding "our limits".

    In 2003, Rory Stewart, a former army officer, was appointed as the Coalition Provisional Authority's deputy governor of a province in southern Iraq.

    @GuidoFawkes Guido Fawkes

    tweets: Boris TIME "I think Brexit is possible... [Britain] would very rapidly come to an alternative arrangement that protected our basic interests

    14:36: Post-election scenarios
    Nick Clegg and David Cameron

    For the New Statesman's site, Philip Cowley highlights four issues he feels are being misunderstood - or outright missed - in all the post-election forecasting being done.

    14:30: 'Demand that report' House of Commons Parliament

    Pete Wishart rises to make his own speech in the Iraq Inquiry debate.

    "If anyone needs to know why this House was duped it is us, the parliamentarians," he argues.

    He says the wording of the backbench motion for debate today "should have demanded that report".

    The SNP MP adds that his vote against the Iraq invasion in 2003 was "the proudest vote of my 14 years in this House".

    Pete Wishart
    PoliticsHome blog

    tweets: SNP MP Pete Wishart on Iraq: "I do believe this is going to go all the way to The Hague. This was an illegal war."

    @RebeccaKeating Rebecca Keating, BBC parliamentary reporter

    tweets: . @Ed_Miliband tells the BBC @David_Cameron needs to "man up" and agree to televised election debates #GE2015

    Labour and immigration The Daily Telegraph
    Ed Miliband and Nigel Farage

    After Labour MP and mayoral hopeful David Lammy attacked his own party's campaign leaflets for trying to "out-UKIP UKIP" on immigration, Telegraph columnist Dan Hodges has joined the debate, describing the leaflets as "an aberration" and accusing Ed Miliband of hypocrisy over immigration.

    14:20: Tough at the top London Evening Standard Newspaper
    Nick Clegg

    Joseph Watts at the Evening Standard reports that one (unnamed) senior figure in the Liberal Democrats has claimed today that the party must win at least 45 seats in the general election if Nick Clegg is to stay on as leader: "The respected figure argued that fewer would make it impossible to join a governing coalition, predicting that the Lib Dem leader would 'fall on his sword'."

    14:08: Breaking News

    The Ministry of Justice confirms the missing material - which it says went missing after being sent in the post - relates to three investigations that examined the roles of police in the death of three members of the public. Two inquiries relate to fatal police shootings of crime suspects in London - Mark Duggan and Azelle Rodney. The third relates to the 1997 murder of Robert Hamill in Northern Ireland, which campaigners allege involved the collusion of police officers. In each inquiry there were witnesses, including police officers, who were given anonymity because of possible threats to their safety - but officials have refused to confirm whether any of the missing documents include personal information relating to these witnesses.

    14:05: Breaking News

    The Ministry of Justice says data from three semi-secret inquiries has gone missing on discs lost in the post.

    @DArcyTiP Mark D'Arcy, Today In Parliament correspondent

    tweets: Congrats to @Plaid_Cymru Westminster leader Elfyn Llwdd just promoted to the "Hon Member for Wales" in @HouseofCommons debate on #Chilcot

    14:01: Blair-Bush Iraq notes to be revealed
    George Bush and Tony Blair

    As MPs debate the Iraq inquiry in the Commons, the chair of the inquiry Sir John Chilcot has said former prime minister Tony Blair's notes to former US president George W Bush will be published with only "a very small number of essential redactions". That's a big shift from last year, when only "quotes and gists" were set to be made public.

    13:58: Migrant voters The Guardian

    Over at The Guardian, Robert Ford and Ruth Grove-White of migrant support group The Migrant's Network write that with immigration set to be a key debate in the election campaign, "remarkably little is known about the millions of migrant voters who will be eligible to cast a vote".

    13:42: Miliband in Scotland

    Ed Miliband is in Scotland to make a promise: an incoming Labour government will bring forward a home rule bill within the first 100 days. Mr Miliband is campaigning in Glasgow with the Scottish Labour leader, Jim Murphy to win over wavering voters who may be attracted by the SNP. He announced plans to change the party's constitution in Scotland to allow Mr Murphy to make decisions on devolved issues. "It is absolutely for Jim to make those decisions," Mr Miliband said. His visit comes as bookmaker William Hill makes the SNP odds-on to win more seats in Scotland than the Lib Dems will across the whole of the UK.

    13:35: Iraq inquiry debate House of Commons Parliament
    Elfyn Llwyd in the Commons

    Plaid Cymru MP Elfyn Llwyd says the big problem with the Iraq inquiry was the questioning. He would have liked a judge-led inquiry with a counsel doing the questioning, as was the case with the Leveson inquiry. "Something must be done urgently, otherwise this parliament will be the laughing stock of the world."

    Leader effect? Democratic Audit

    tweets: What effect does a leader's visit have on a party's vote in a constituency?

    13:31: Iraq inquiry debate House of Commons Parliament

    Former attorney-general Dominic Grieve says the delay to the report is "very regrettable" - and the most concerning bit is the delay since mid-2014. "I find it strange we should now be in February 2015, and it seems the Maxwellisation process [providing witnesses with an opportunity to the bits of the report in which they're mentioned] is going so very slowly." He thinks it should only have taken "a few months".



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