Carwyn Jones: Five years in

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So did we learn anything new from my interview with the First Minister on his fifth anniversary?

One of the more striking things he said was that he doesn't know what the NHS and education services would look like in 2020 after another five years of Conservative-led austerity.

The clear message is that the general election result will have a major impact on services in Wales, even if they're devolved, because he claims that Ed Miliband in Downing Street would lead to a more generous financial settlement for the assembly.

No surprise there then. A Labour First Minister wanting a Labour Prime Minister.

But there is an argument to say that David Cameron back in Downing Street making unpopular cuts could help Carwyn Jones gain a precious majority in the assembly elections in 2016.

'Whingeing and blaming'

But the first minister clearly believes that after a bruising four years filled with tension and disagreement between Westminster and Cardiff Bay he would like an easier life, even if it means he won't be able to blame a lot on the Tories in 2016.

I don't suppose Mr Jones was expecting any warm words from the Conservatives but his comments did draw a particularly sharp response from them, saying: "This is a Labour First Minister who has made a career out of whingeing and blaming others for his own party's mismanagement of the Welsh economy, record-breaking cuts to the Welsh NHS and falling school standards."

There was a less defensive and dismissive tone from Carwyn Jones when he discussed health, saying they weren't "miracle workers" and that the public appreciated that fact as long as ministers were honest with them.

I'm sure the public would like to see shorter waiting lists as well but there's no doubt that honesty goes a long way.

I'd love to be able to say I got some valuable insight from him about how long he plans to stay in the job.

The obvious question is whether he would like to follow his predecessor Rhodri Morgan and do ten years but all he would say is that he'll continue in the job as long as he enjoys it.

Legacy question

I suspect Carwyn Jones will be acutely aware of being seen as complacent before the next assembly elections so he won't want to be seen to be saying anything that pre-judges the result.

Having said that, Labour are clearly going to be the main party after 2016 and there are no obvious successors internally so the inference for many will be that this marks the half-way point.

I asked him what he wanted to achieve in the time he's got left and posed the question of whether it is council re-organisation or an M4 relief road.

The answer he gave was to make progress on the constitution and to give hope to people who he says have been let down by the Westminster coalition which he claims makes "RS Thomas look like Father Christmas".

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