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Reaction to Rafael Benitez's appointment at Chelsea while Man City are knocked out of the Champions League and Arsenal progress.

21 November 2012 Last updated at 22:33 GMT

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  1. 2230: 

    That's all from me on another eventful night of action.

    I'm back tomorrow for Europa League action - see you all there.

  2. 2228: 
    GET INVOLVED

    Josh Coleman on Twitter: "Drogba - do not go back to Chelsea! Your last kick for that club won them the Champions League - you can never top that."

    James Blackwell on Twitter: "Hate this 'concentrate on the league idea'. Six out of nine past Champions League winners have won their league. If you are good enough you do both."

    Nikhil Patil on Twitter: "Any time you think you are stressed out at work, think of a Chelsea manager!"

  3. 2223:  
    Phil McNulty, BBC Sport Chief Football Writer at Etihad Stadium

    "Never mind convincing Roman Abramovich - new manager Rafael Benitez must convince Chelsea's fans."

  4. 2223:  
    BBC Radio 5 liveCHELSEA APPOINT BENITEZ

    Football reporter Ian McGarry on 5 live Sport: "I can confirm that Chelsea have said to Didier Drogba that they would like him to play for them on loan. The dispensation he has requested is specifically regarding a move to Chelsea.

    "As regards Rafa Benitez, let's take it back to the players. There is a very, very sceptical perception that Fernando Torres' influence on Benitez's appointment has been quite important, and that it's been all about who can get the best out of Fernando. There is a perception within the dressing room that the appointment has been guided by Torres. Whether that's true or not doesn't matter, because if the perception exists you've immediately got a divided dressing room."

    You can hear Champions League reaction live on 5 live Sport right now.

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    Real Madrid manager Jose Mourinho: "I think we should have won - we had plenty of chances to score a second goal. They had the penalty, who you in TV are in a better position to judge. Arbeloa was shown red, but you in TV were in a better position to judge. After that we were in no condition to win. In the two times a team I have managed finished second in the group they've gone on to win the title."

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    GET INVOLVED

    Willy B from London on text: "Touching words from Robbie Di Matteo, true Chelsea legend and gentleman. Nothing can take away from your excellent achievments."

    Martin from Sheffield on text: "Mexes' goal was better than Ibra's. He's a centre back, and the keeper was in the goal. Left me speechless. Don't go to bed without watching it!"

    I've not seen it yet - looking forward to it though...

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    Manchester City manager Roberto Mancini: "We played so so in the first half. We had chances to score - we missed one or two chances. They scored with their first chance. We made a mistake - it was five versus two in the box. We pushed up after the break. We didn't lose it tonight, but in the first few games - against Dortmund and Ajax. I hope we will be more experienced next year. When we started we knew the group was going to be difficult. We're a good team, but we went out and made mistakes. I want to be in the Europa League if possible."

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    Pat Nevin, Former Chelsea winger on BBC Radio 5 liveCHELSEA APPOINT BENITEZ

    "If you remember long enough back there were some suggestions Benitez made in the press that Chelsea were only winning things because of the money. Chelsea won't forget that. The fans will get behind the manager but it's pretty grudging. Having said that, if he's successful I get the impression he will be accepted. I'm not sure he'll ever be loved."

    You can hear Champions League reaction live on 5 live Sport right now.

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    GET INVOLVED

    Jay Gordon on Twitter: "What a selection of teams left in the Champions League! The pedigree makes for a decent draw for the next round."

    Abi Paterson on Twitter: "Can't say I'm shocked to see City out at this stage, but bottom of the table? Didn't expect that."

    Greg Matthews on Twitter: "It's simple: Mancini is a very good league manager but a very poor European one. Awful record with Inter and now City in Europe."

  10. 2212: 
    CHELSEA LATEST

    As if we hadn't had enough news from Chelsea today, news is in that they are in talks about a deal that could see former striker Didier Drogba return to Stamford Bridge on loan.

    The Ivory Coast striker is determined to be match fit for the Africa Cup of Nations in January and has asked Fifa for special dispensation to move on a loan deal outside the transfer window.

    Fifa are considering the application which could see Drogba return to Stamford Bridge in the coming weeks.

  11. 2212: 
    GET INVOLVED

    Mark in Manchester on 81111 on text: "One thing I haven't heard coming out of the Etihad tonight? Grumblings. All we wanted tonight was a good performance, and we got one."

    Mark, a Chelsea fan from Wantage, on 81111 on text: "City fans - don't worry about it. It takes time and mostly luck to win the Champions League. It's only a cup competition, it doesn't prove anything. After all, we won it last year but only came fifth in the league so we weren't really the best side in Europe, whereas when we got 95 pts in the league under Jose and probably were the best in Europe we lost out. Winning the league is far more meaningful."

    Brent in London on 81111 on text: "Job done tonight. Good to see Giroud and Podolski doing the biz again. Not too bothered about first or second - could be Madrid if first or Porto if second."

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    Real Madrid manager Jose Mourinho on the sacking of Chelsea boss Roberto Di Matteo: "I'm never happy when a manager is sacked because it could happen to me. But everybody knows that I like Chelsea and I will always support any Chelsea manager. This is football."

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    Arsenal midfielder Jack Wilshere after the 2-0 win over Montpellier:

    "We're pleased - it was a tough game. Montpellier are tough and we started sloppily, but we knew we had to keep going and get the win. We'll go to Olympiakos, who will be tough, and we need to finish top of the group. We've seen in previous years that if you come second you could be in trouble, so we need to finish top. The first-half was sloppy, we were giving the ball away and weren't ourselves. It was important to get an early goal in the second half and I was in the right place at the right time.

    "We have to step it up. Tonight wasn't good enough, especially the first half. We'll watch the game and work on our weaknesses. We've got to play the best teams in the competition to win it."

  14. 2203: 

    Axed Chelsea manager Roberto Di Matteo has issued a statement through the League Managers Association.

    He said: "It was an honour for me to be appointed manager of a club that I loved playing for and one that is so close to my heart. I am extremely proud of the successes and trophies that we were able to bring to the club in recent months.

    "Lifting Chelsea's first Champions League trophy, in Munich, was the best achievement in club history and without doubt the highlight of my career to date, both as a player and manager. It is a memory I will treasure for the rest of my life.

    "I have a deep and unreserved passion for Chelsea Football Club and I would like to sincerely thank all of the staff, my players and of course the Chelsea fans, for their tremendous and unconditioned support in the intense time I have been the manager at the Bridge. I wish all of them every success for the rest of the season and beyond."

  15. 2159:  
    BBC Radio 5 liveCHELSEA APPOINT BENITEZ

    Football reporter Ian McGarry on 5 live Sport: "Roberto Di Matteo would admit he's paid the price for results in the past few weeks. They were four points ahead in the league, now they are four points behind and at risk in the Champions League. In this case, Abramovich has told Di Matteo this is his fault, he failed to motivate the players and he picked the wrong team. It wasn't a teamsheet he selected last night - it was a suicide note."

    You can hear Champions League reacton live on 5 live Sport right now.

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    Pat Nevin, Former Chelsea winger on BBC Radio 5 liveCHELSEA APPOINT BENITEZ

    "I'm almost getting to the stage of thinking that Chelsea's hiring and firing is just their model, their method. Real Madrid would do it for years, but we're not used to it in Britain. This has been the most successful period in Chelsea's history, and maybe there's some method in their madness..."

    You can hear Champions League reaction live on 5 live Sport right now.

  17. 2157: 
    CHAMPIONS LEAGUE UPDATE

    So with one round of games to go there are 13 teams who have booked their passage into the knockout stage.

    They are: AC Milan, Arsenal, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Borussia Dortmund, Malaga, Manchester United, Paris Saint-Germain, Porto, Real Madrid, Schalke 04, Shakhtar Donetsk and Valencia.

    Chelsea and Celtic are still hoping to nab two of the remaining three spots of course.

  18. 2156: 

    Is Roberto Mancini going to feel some heat after that defeat? Let's not forget that they are top of the Premier League. After Chelsea firing Roberto Di Matteo this morning though, I don't know any more...

  19. 2155: 
    GET INVOLVED

    Edmund on 81111 on text: "I would like to see Man City do well in the Champions League, but frankly it's been painful watching them in all their games so far."

    Dave in Manchester on 81111 on text: "I fully expect Uefa to give City a Champions League group next season of Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Brazil 1970."

    Adrian in Lancaster on 81111 on text: "Is Sheikh Mansour going to do an Abramovich and get rid of Mancini in the morning?"

  20. 2152: 
    GET INVOLVED

    So the post mortem begins. Where did it all go wrong for Manchester City? Just how good are Borussia Dortmund? Job well done tonight for Arsenal?

    Let me know your thoughts. You can text in on 81111, or Tweet us using the hashtag #bbcfootball.

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    Nobody likes to be surprised in a very, very bad way do they?

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    Manchester City goalkeeper Joe Hart: "All the games have cost us. We lost two away games and we've not won at home. It's been a bad campaign for us and it's incredibly frustrating. We have surprised ourselves in a very, very bad way."

  23. 2150:  
    Robbie Savage, BBC Radio 5 live at Etihad Stadium

    "You can guarantee Manchester City will win the Champion League one day, because of the amount of money they've got and the players they can bring in. Whether it'll be under Roberto Mancini I do not know."

    You can hear Champions League reaction live on 5 live Sport right now.

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    GET INVOLVED

    Dave on Twitter: "Always said it was going to take a few years to get somewhere in the Champions League. There's always next year - concentrate on winning the league now."

    Robert McConnell on Twitter: "Man City out for the second year in a row? What a shame. Not. They must be getting used to the Europa League by now?"

    Scott Ballantyne on Twitter: "Can't quite believe that Mancini took off Aguero for Milner? And I am no fan of City, but that was just strange?

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    Robbie Savage, BBC Radio 5 live at Etihad Stadium

    "I'm not sure teams of Man City's quality want to be in the Europa League. I think the Premier League is their goal and they are the best team in the league. That is where they will focus their attention."

    You can hear Champions League reaction live on 5 live Sport right now.

  26. 2145: 

    So groups A to D are all done and dusted now when it comes to qualification.

  27. 2142: 
    CHAMPIONS LEAGUE UPDATE

    Borussia Dortmund are Group D winners after a 4-1 victory over Ajax in Amsterdam, while Real Madrid's point sees them through in second place. Manchester City can qualify for the Europa League only if they beat Dortmund in Germany next month and Ajax fail to win at the Bernabeu.

  28. 2141:  
    Phil McNulty, BBC Sport Chief Football Writer at Etihad Stadium

    "All over - as is Manchester City's Champions League campaign."

  29. 2141: 
    CHAMPIONS LEAGUE UPDATE

    AC Milan's path through Group C has been a rocky one at times, but they are through with a game to spare after winning 3-1 against Anderlecht in Brussels. Malaga, who had already qualified before tonight, ensured they won the group with a 2-2 draw away to Zenit St Petersburg, who will battle it out with Anderlecht for the Europa League spot.

  30. 2140:  
    Robbie Savage, BBC Radio 5 live at Etihad Stadium

    "Manchester City could have qualified if they'd shown more attacking desire. It is a story of what could have been. They had chances in every game to win it. They were second-best in most of the games but they did create chances and could have won. They will learn from this.

    "City have shown great spirit tonight. I still make them favourites to win the Premier League, but they must look back on this Champions league campaign as a failure."

    You can hear Champions League reaction live on 5 live Sport right now.

  31. 2139: 
    CHAMPIONS LEAGUE UPDATE

    Schalke and Arsenal have both secured qualification from Group B after tonight's games, with only top spot to be settled between them. Schalke are a point clear of the Gunners after Christian Fuchs gave them a 1-0 home win over Olympiakos, who are certain of a Europa League place.

  32. 2139: 
    CHAMPIONS LEAGUE UPDATE

    A very straightforward night in Group A, where Porto were already through and Paris Saint-Germain have joined them. Ezequiel Lavezzi scored one in each half as PSG earned a 2-0 win away to Dynamo Kiev. Porto stay a point clear at the top of the group with a 3-0 home win over Dinamo Zagreb, a result that means Kiev will finish third and go into the Europa League.

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    MANCHESTER CITY ARE OUT
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    BBC Sport Chief Football Writer Phil McNulty at the EtihadFULL-TIME- Man City 1-1 Real Madrid

    "Manchester City made a spirited effort to get the win they required but could not muster enough. This makes it five group games without a victory so they can have no complaints about going out before the knockout stage again. Roberto Mancini must learn the lessons."

  35. 2136: 
    ARSENAL THROUGH TO LAST 16

    Schalke beat Olympiakos, so Arsenal are into the knockout stages.

  36. 2135: 
    CLOSE!

    Manchester City almost snatch it! David Silva is the man again, flipping over a lofted pass which Carlos Tevez runs on to - but he can't quite get there on the stretch.

  37. 2135: 
    FULL-TIME- Arsenal 2-0 Montpellier
  38. 2133: 

    Yaya Toure has a sight of goal, but he fires over the bar after a cut-back from Maicon.

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    Jose Mourinho waits on the fourth official's shoulder as he holds up the board - when the five minute sign goes up Mourinho is furious. He then applauds to the crowd and encourages them to jeer him. What a man. Get him back over here...

  40. 2130: 
    SUBSTITUTION

    Sergio Aguero is a surprising late switch, it's James Milner on in his place.

  41. 2128:  
    Robbie Savage, BBC Radio 5 live at Etihad Stadium

    "Real Madrid just need to slow this game down now, and they just need to give the ball to Xabi Alonso. He's fantastic - a great player to have when you're down to 10 men."

    You can hear Champions League coverage live on 5 live Sport right now.

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    Phil McNulty, BBC Sport Chief Football Writer at Etihad Stadium

    "Mourinho raging as Ronaldo is blocked and no foul is awarded. Great amusement inside the Etihad."

  43. 2128: 
    FINAL FIVE

    Into the last five minutes we go then...

  44. 2126: 
    GET INVOLVED

    Col in Liverpool on 81111 on text: "Cannot believe the disrespect towards Rafa from ignorant fans. The man won the league in Spain with Valencia, rebuilt Liverpool and is a proven tactical genius. Chelsea are lucky to have him."

    Ben from Luton on 81111 on text: "The hypocrisy of Chelsea fans amazes me. They moan about Roman's antics and the unfair sacking of RDM but then complain that Rafa Benitez (Champions League winner and two-time La Liga winner) isn't 'big' enough for them! You're all just as bad as he is!"

    Andy in Liverpool on 81111 on text: "For those of you who say Bentiez will get the best out of Torres, you'll find it was Gerrard who did that and Chelsea dont have one of him!"

  45. 2125: 
    CLOSE!

    Another close call for Arsenal. Mikel Arteta whips in a free kick from out on the left, it misses everyone and bounces wide of the far post. We are into the last seven minutes though and the job looks done.

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    Vincent Kompany gets away with another one, and Cristiano Ronaldo is fuming. Absolutely fuming. Kompany just bodychecks him at full pelt but nothing is given.

  47. 2122: 

    Arsenal are looking good for the win here, and they have twice gone close to extending their lead. Santi Cazorla shoots from range and it is tipped over, before Olivier Giroud is played through and sees his low shot well saved by Geoff Jourdren.

  48. 2121: 

    Moment of concern for City here as Cristiano Ronaldo falls on Vincent Kompany - it looks like the incident which injured John Terry the other week. But Kompany is up after a moment of treatment and should be OK to carry on.

  49. 2120: 

    David Silva has had a quality second half for Manchester City. Again, he slides clear of a tackle and finds Edin Dzeko on his left, the Bosnian smashes the ball across goal but it is above those in the middle.

  50. 2120:  
    Gary Lineker, Match of the Day presenter

    "Check out the Mexes goal for Milan if you get the chance. Spectacular long range overhead kick. Not quite Ibra but..."

  51. 2119: 
    CHAMPIONS LEAGUE UPDATE

    Some big news in Arsenal's group - Schalke have gone 1-0 up at home to Olympiakos. If both games stay as they are, Arsenal and Schalke will be through tonight.

  52. 2119: 
    GET INVOLVED

    Mike Crew on Twitter: "Now we've got a game on!"

    Luka Prebil on Twitter: "That was never a penalty..."

    Matt Graham on Twitter: "Ref has just completed a pretty rubbish night. Very little contact and he gets sent off."

  53. 2118: 
    CHAMPIONS LEAGUE UPDATE

    A draw is not enough for Manchester City to keep alive their hopes of qualifying from Group D. But it will take Real Madrid through with a game to spare - unless Ajax come back from 4-0 down at home to Borussia Dortmund. As it stands, Dortmund will win the group tonight.

  54. 2118:  
    BBC Sport Chief Football Writer Phil McNulty at the Etihad

    "Jose Mourinho in conversation with the referee's assistant following Manchester City's equaliser from a penalty - but it was a very clumsy challenge on the scorer Sergio Aguero by Alvaro Arbeloa. "The Special One" is copping an earful from City's fans but suspect it is nothing he hasn't heard before."

  55. 2118:  
    Robbie Savage, BBC Radio 5 live at Etihad Stadium

    "I think that was a penalty. Off you go Arbeloa, see you later. Manchester City deserve that, they have been the better team in the second half. They have taken the game to Real Madrid, and have dealt with Madrid's counter-attacks."

    You can hear Champions League coverage live on 5 live Sport right now.

  56. 2115: 
    GOAL- Man City 1-1 Real Madrid - Sergio Aguero (74 mins)

    Former Atletico Madrid man Sergio Aguero steps up and rolls in the spot-kick, sending Iker Casillas the wrong way. Can City find a winner in the last 15 minutes?

  57. 2114: 
    RED CARD FOR REAL MADRID- Alvaro Arbeloa (73 mins)

    That was Alvaro Arbeloa's second boking - and he is sent to the dressing rooms.

  58. 2114: 
    PENALTY TO MANCHESTER CITY

    Manchester City were given a soft penalty at home to Aston Villa at the weekend - and they have another one now. Alvaro Arbeloa seems to lose his footing as he tracks a run from Sergio Aguero into the box, they both go down and the referee points to the spot.

  59. 2113: 

    Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson has just been picked out by the cameras at City - heavily disguised in a flat cap/beret among the natives.

  60. 2111:  
    Robbie Savage, BBC Radio 5 live at Etihad Stadium

    "City should be level through Aguero but for a wonderful save by Casillas, but they are so much more dynamic in their play."

    You can hear Champions League coverage live on 5 live Sport right now.

  61. 2111: 
    CHAMPIONS LEAGUE UPDATE

    In Group C, Stephan El Shaarawy has given AC Milan a 1-0 lead against Anderlecht in Brussels. That goal, two minutes into the second half, would ensure Milan qualify in second place behind group winners Malaga, who drew 2-2 away to Zenit St Petersburg in the early kick-off. Zenit and Anderlecht would battle it out for the Europa League spot.

    Borussia Dortmund only needed a point to qualify from Group D, but lead 4-0 against Ajax in Amsterdam and look comfortable. Real Madrid will join them in the knockout stages with a win over Manchester City, who would need to beat Dortmund in Germany to stand any chance of snatching the Europa League spot.

  62. 2110: 

    Opta tweets: "725 days since Jack Wilshere last scored a competitive goal for Arsenal (27/11/2010 against Aston Villa)."

  63. 2109: 
    CHAMPIONS LEAGUE UPDATE

    Group A looks as if it's going to be all sewn up with a game to spare. Porto, who are already through, lead Dinamo Zagreb 1-0. Paris Saint-Germain, who only needed a draw to seal qualification, lead Dynamo Kiev 2-0. As it stands, those scorelines will ensure Kiev finish third and go into the Europa League.

    While Arsenal leading Montpellier 2-0, the other Group B game remains goalless between Schalke and Olympiakos. Those results would take Arsenal top, and leave them well placed to go through ahead of their final group game in Greece.

  64. 2108: 

    Cristiano Ronaldo has been quieter since the break, but he does force Joe Hart into action here with a long-range shot which Hart shovels clear. We are into the last quarter of this game.

  65.  
    GET INVOLVED

    Graeme McCombe on Twitter: "Yaya Toure is too far back, needs to be pushed further up."

    Zac Lott on Twitter: "I see Khedira has entered the hall of fame for most quality chances wasted."

    Mitchell P Skillen on Twitter: "Torres is finished, Benitez will not change that. Chelsea needed to change centre-backs, not the manager."

  66. 2107: 
    GREAT SAVE!

    How did this stay out? Manchester City so close to a leveller as Maicon hits a cross-shot in from the right, Sergio Aguero closes in and volleys in from close range and Iker Casillas somehow keeps it out. Brilliant stuff.

  67. 2104: 
    GOAL- Arsenal 2-0 Montpellier - Lukas Podolski (63 mins)

    Put your tea down, and applaud this. A marvellous strike from Lukas Podolski. He exchanges passes with Olivier Giroud, with the Frenchman lifting the ball perfectly into Podolski's path and he hammers in a dipping volley over the keeper and in to the roof of the net. A bit like Robin van Persie's goal at Charlton that time - though not quite as spectacular. Brilliant technique.

  68. 2103: 

    David Silva smashes in a free-kick for Manchester City, it catches Sami Khedira flush on the face and the game has to be stopped.

  69. 2102: 
    SUBSTITUTION

    Now Carlos Tevez is on for Manchester City, on in place of Samir Nasri.

  70. 2101: 

    Javi Garcia then gets away with a blatant pull on Alvaro Arbeloa right on the touchline. Bizarre, and further proof that those extra officials are pointless.

  71. 2100: 
    YELLOW CARD

    Pablo Zabaleta is booked for a hard but fair tackle on Angel di Maria. He clearly won the ball there Zabaleta but he came in at force and pace and referee Gianluca Rocchi doesn't like it.

  72. 2100:  
    Phil McNulty, BBC Sport Chief Football Writer at Etihad Stadium

    "Man City much more lively at the start of this second half."

  73. 2059: 

    Time for Carlos Tevez? We are almost at the hour mark and there's no sign of him yet.

  74. 2058: 
    CLOSE!

    Manchester City almost 2-0 down again. For the first time since the break, their backline goes AWOL. Cristiano Ronaldo is sent clear down the left, he stands up a cross to the back stick, but Sami Khedira and Karim Benzema get in each other's way and can't provide a telling header.

  75. 2057: 
    GET INVOLVED

    Pasa Mustafa on Twitter: "That's been coming, good finish from Wilshere and now it's time to push on. Great to see Jack back again."

    Sophie Rose-Corr on Twitter: "Bet Benitez is flattered to be 'interim' manger! Are we ever going to keep a manager for a whole season? We've lost the plot!"

    Mutelo R M on Twitter: "When Chelsea signed Roberto Di Matteo on a two season contract, did no one realise that meant summer and autumn?"

  76. 2056: 
    CLOSE!

    Good stuff again from David Silva as he runs down the right, feeds Edin Dzeko to fire in a low cross which is half blocked, and Silva is there in a flash to shoot left-footed. Straight at Iker Casillas though. Can City make this breakthrough?

  77. 2054: 
    CHAMPIONS LEAGUE UPDATE

    As Arsenal lead, it's still 0-0 in the other Group B game between Schalke and Olympiakos, so Arsenal will go top if they win. They would then need a point from their final group game in Greece to guarantee qualification.

  78. 2054:  
    Robbie Savage, BBC Radio 5 live at Etihad Stadium

    "It's been a better start, a positive start from City in this second half. Yes they had a lot of the ball in the first half, but their attacks all fizzled out. But this is much better from City! They are attacking with more penetration and pace."

    You can hear Champions League coverage live on 5 live Sport right now.

  79. 2053: 

    Better from Manchester City as David Silva wriggles clear, Sergio Aguero latches on to it but he takes a bad touch and Iker Casillas is able to smash it clear. City have been the better side since the break, with Silva looking menacing now.

  80. 2052: 
    GET INVOLVED

    Leigh from Devon on 81111 on text: "44 years I've supported Chelsea - we don't want Benitez. He ruined Inter and he will ruin Chelsea. I will be supporting Steve Clarke at West Brom untill Benitez has gone."

    Ian in Slough on 81111 on text: "Just by way of a quick hands-up, are there any Chelsea fans out there willing to swallow their pride, show some respect and get behind their new boss? No?"

    Chris from Maidstone on 81111 on text: "Please remember Benitez did win the Champions League with Djimi Traore. Proof alone he can perform miracles."

  81. 2050: 
    GOAL- Arsenal 1-0 Montpellier - Jack Wilshere (49 mins)

    Lovely goal for the Gunners, and it's a first in an absolute age for Jack Wilshere. Thomas Vermaelen swings in a cross from the left, Olivier Giroud wins the knock-down with a textbook header, and Wilshere reads the bounce to get there ahead of goalkeeper Geoff Jourdren and lift it over him. Lovely stuff.

  82. 2048: 

    Maicon hurls in a deep cross from the right which Iker Casillas flaps at, the ball runs to Samir Nasri who wins a corner in a bright start for Manchester City.

  83. 2047: 
    KICK-OFF

    And we are away in both of our games.

  84. 2046: 
    SUBSTITUTION

    Change for Manchester City at the break - Javi Garcia is on for Aleksandar Kolarov.

  85. 2046: 

    The players are back out at City. Quite a turnaround in performance needed.

  86. 2042: 
    CHAMPIONS LEAGUE UPDATE

    Anderlecht and AC Milan are deadlocked at half-time in Brussels. If it stays 0-0, Milan will stay second in Group C, a point clear of Anderlecht in third, and two ahead of Zenit St Petersburg, who drew 2-2 with group winners Malaga in the early kick-off.

  87. 2041:  
    Nigel Spackman, BBC Radio 5 liveCHELSEA APPOINT BENITEZ

    "I thought Chelsea's performance last night was poor and it's been a poor run of results. You won't find many Chelsea fans happy with an appointment of an ex-Liverpool manager. Maybe he has been brought in to get the best out of Torres. He is the interim manager but if he does a good job maybe he will get it for longer. Benitez has got a great CV and a good record, but the only way he will win the Stamford Bridge crowd over is getting the results. Now he had to focus on trying to win the Premier League."

    You can hear Champions League coverage live on 5 live Sport right now.

  88. 2040: 
    CHAMPIONS LEAGUE UPDATE

    No goals at all in Arsenal's Group B so far, with the match between Schalke and Olympiakos also locked at 0-0 at the break. As it stands, Schalke will stay a point clear of Arsenal at the top of the group, with Olympiakos a point further back in third, and all three in with a chance of going through.

  89. 2039: 
    CHAMPIONS LEAGUE UPDATE

    Ezequiel Lavezzi has scored right on half-time to give Paris Saint-Germain a 1-0 lead away to Dynamo Kiev. That score would see Carlo Ancelotti's side qualify from Group A with Porto, who lead Dinamo Zagreb 1-0 at the interval thanks to Luco Gonzalez's 20th-minute opener.

  90. 2038:  
    Robbie Savage, BBC Radio 5 live at Etihad Stadium

    "City have been second-best tonight, like they were second-best here against Dortmund They have been poor, but Real Madrid on the counter-attack have been devastating. The three at the back just did not work for Mancini."

    You can hear Champions League coverage live on 5 live Sport right now.

  91. 2032: 
    GET INVOLVED

    George Mayo on Twitter: "Arsenal are obviously struggling without Walcott in so many departments: runs, pace and finishing to name but a few..."

    Ben Winsor on Twitter: "Ronaldo is a mercurial talent tonight, verging on unplayable."

    Jack Smith on Twitter: "Mancini should have definitely started Tevez today after his brilliant performance at the weekend."

  92. 2031: 

    My call for goals, goals, goals has fallen on deaf ears, even if Manchester City's defence has done their bit. City are 45 minutes away from going out of the Champions League, while Arsenal need to improve sharpish.

  93. 2031: 
    HALF-TIME- Arsenal 0-0 Montpellier

    BBC Sport's David Ornstein reports: "A disjointed first half from Arsenal side, who hit the bar through Laurent Koscielny but have misplaced pass after pass and are struggling for the rhythm needed to secure the victory they crave."

  94. 2030: 
    CHAMPIONS LEAGUE UPDATE

    Borussia Dortmund are running away with it against Ajax in Group D. Robert Lewandowski has put them 3-0 up in Amsterdam at the break. Not bad for a team who only needed a point to qualify tonight.

  95. 2030:  
    BBC Sport Chief Football Writer Phil McNulty at the EtihadHALF-TIME- Man City 0-1 Real Madrid

    "Real Madrid could have been out of sight following some real moments of attacking class. Manchester City still in it but looking horribly vulnerable when placed under pressure."

  96. 2028: 

    Sheer greed from Karim Benzema here as he chooses to shoot wastefully over from range when Cristiano Ronaldo is in space on his left. Half time is imminent.

  97. 2028:  
    Robbie Savage, BBC Radio 5 live at Etihad Stadium

    "City have got to get Tevez on. If it means they lose 2-0, so be it. They need to have more of a go, with Tevez's pace and ability to buzz about."

    You can hear Champions League coverage live on 5 live Sport right now.

  98. 2027: 

    The tempo has finaly slowed a tad at the Etihad, City much more comfortable in a back four. We are into the last five minutes of the half.

  99. 2025: 

    Infostrada Sports tweets: "Real Madrid are the first team to score in 15 consecutive away matches in the Champions League."

  100. 2023: 
    CHAMPIONS LEAGUE UPDATE

    Mario Goetze has put Borussia Dortmund 2-0 up against Ajax in Amsterdam. Dortmund are on course to seal qualification tonight. As it stands, Real Madrid will join them.

  101. 2023: 

    Manchester United forward Wayne Rooney tweets: "Ronaldo is destroying people here..."

  102. 2021: 
    CLOSE!

    Quality from Santi Cazorla as Arsenal go close again. The Spaniard glides away from a man and plays in Lukas Podolski, but the German can't quite wrap his foot around it and fires wide at the near post under a strong challenge.

  103. 2021: 

    Which makes you wonder why Roberto Mancini went for 3-5-2 in the first place?

  104. 2021:  
    Robbie Savage, BBC Radio 5 live at Etihad Stadium

    "This is much better from Manchester City. Their change in formation has helped them, I think. They are now more accustomed to what they're doing in a 4-2-3-1, and City are doing better."

    You can hear Champions League coverage live on 5 live Sport right now.

  105. 2018: 
    GET INVOLVED

    Thomas on 81111 on text: "RDM won us the double and Benitez has failed for Inter and Liverpool."

    Tim from London on 81111 on text: "Re Hamish (1941): Before that he took Liverpool to two Champions League finals and re-established them as title contenders..."

    Tim in Lichfield on 81111 on text: "Did Benitez not get the very best from Torres? But for some Spanish passion by going nose to nose with Fergie he would probably have won a first Premier League title for Liverpool. A sound choice who could ultimately land the job long term!"

  106. 2017: 
    CLOSE!

    Almost an opener for Arsenal, as Lukas Podolski robs a defender, runs in on goal but drags his right-footed shot wide of the far post. The hosts are on top now.

  107. 2015: 
    YELLOW CARD

    Wonderful feet from David Silva to wriggle clear of Sergio Ramos, he then pulls it back sharply to Edin Dzeko, who can't control his strike and the ball runs out. He would have scored that as a sub.

    Alvaro Arbeloa is then booked for Real Madrid after keeping hold of Sergio Aguero in the middle.

  108. 2014: 
    YELLOW CARD

    Yaya Toure brings down Cristiano Ronaldo with a sliding challenge and is booked. That means he will not be available to face Dortmund in the final game in this group. He is not happy about it either.

  109. 2012: 

    It's still very quiet at Arsenal, where it has become a midfield battle. Arsenal are having the most of the play but keep coming unstuck with the final pass. Not a classic.

  110. 2011: 

    Roberto Mancini makes a tactical switch, as City go back to a 4-4-2. Pablo Zabaleta moves over to left-back with Aleksandar Kolarov pushing on ito midfield.

    City then have their best chance. Maicon drives infield, plays a one-two with Sergio Aguero and then toe-pokes it wide. Better going forward.

  111. 2010:  
    Gary Lineker, Match of the Day presenter

    "The way this is going, if Abramovich had waited until tomorrow he could've appointed Mancini."

  112. 2010:  
    BBC Radio 5 liveCHELSEA APPOINT BENITEZ

    Chair of the Chelsea Supporters Group, Trizia Fiorellino, on 5 live Sport: "I am gobsmacked. Chelsea pulled the rug from under Roberto Di Matteo, which was just ludicrous. Now they have got in someone of Benitez's calibre, who is a poor manager. Nobody has wanted to employ him for two years. What does that tell you? In England he won two things, both on penalties. Di Matteo did that in 20-odd games, it didn't take four years. Benitez has a propensity for zonal marking, which doesn't work in the Premier League. He is the wrong choice for Chelsea and the fans do not want him."

    You can hear Champions League coverage live on 5 live Sport right now.

  113. 2010: 
    GREAT SAVE!

    Great stuff from Joe Hart keeps Manchester City in the game. Xabi Alonso picks out Sami Khedira on the edge of the box, Vincent Kompany and Matija Nastasic leave it to each other and the German nips through the gap, tries the dink over Hart but the keeper makes himself big enough to get something on it. City being carved open time and again.

  114. 2006: 
    GREAT SAVE!

    This is better from City though as Sergio Aguero rolls away from his marker brilliantly to fire in a curling effort from 25 yards which Iker Casillas turns over the top. Promising - but they may have to score several tonight though, judging by their early defending.

  115. 2005:  
    Phil McNulty, BBC Sport Chief Football Writer at Etihad Stadium

    "Man City getting torn to shreds here. Mancini, as he has done a lot in this Champions League campaign, shakes his head."

  116. 2004: 

    Manchester City pose a threat for the first time as Sergio Aguero, David Silva and Edin Dzeko link up neatly on the edge of the area but Dzeko can't find Aleksandar Kolarov on the overlap. Real then counter with three touches to set up a Luka Modric shot which is blocked by the sprawling Vincent Kompany. Stunning pace on the break.

  117. 2004: 
    GET INVOLVED

    Adam Powell on Twitter: "Man City getting ripped apart by Madrid. This could be embarrassing!"

    Sean Healey on Twitter: "City should be four down here! Shocking."

    Mark on Twitter: "Which joker told Mancini that Maicon would be a good signing?"

  118. 2003:  
    Robbie Savage, BBC Radio 5 live at Etihad Stadium

    "Again, City's three centre-halves haven't got a clue. Then Joe Hart charged out needlessly. City are all over the place and are being taught a lesson tonight."

    You can hear Champions League coverage live on 5 live Sport right now.

  119. 2002: 

    At Arsenal, Montpellier have had a good chance. Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa carves through a fine ball to Anthony Mounier, but Wojciech Szczesny is out quickly to smother the effort. The visitors are giving it a real go.

  120. 2000: 
    CLOSE!

    Oh it should be 2-0 to Real! Cristiano Ronaldo is played in on goal, again the defence is nowhere. Ronaldo trys to cheekily lift it over Joe Hart but doesn't quite get enough on it and a defender is able to make a sliding clearance. The ball falls back at the feet of Ronaldo, whose second effort is blocked out. Manchester City are all over the shop.

  121. 1959: 
    SHOWBOAT

    We've missed Cristiano Ronaldo in England. He is just too good at times, he twists and turns away from Vincent Kompany twice on the left flank before putting in a cross to the near post which Sami Khedira heads into the side-netting. Just before that Khedira had another good chance from a Ronaldo cross but shot wide.

  122. 1959: 

    Marco Reus has given Borussia Dortmund an eighth-minute lead away to Ajax. The early goals in Group D put Borussia Dortmund and Real Madrid in position to secure qualification tonight. Dortmund will stay a point clear of Real at the top of the group as it stands; Manchester City would need to win their final game in Germany to stand any chance of qualifying for the Europa League.

  123. 1957: 
    HITS THE WOODWORK

    Arsenal come close to taking the lead against Montpellier as an unmarked Laurent Koscielny meets Jack Wilshere's cross from the left, only to see his thumping header come back off the crossbar.

  124. 1957:  
    Robbie Savage, BBC Radio 5 live at Etihad Stadium

    "There was so much wrong with that goal from Manchester City's point of view. They let Di Maria cross it, then Benzema ran completely past Maicon who didn't even know he was there. Joe Hart didn't come for it, but it was terrible defending from Maicon and indecision at the back."

    You can hear Champions League coverage live on 5 live Sport right now.

  125. 1955: 
    GOAL- Man City 0-1 Real Madrid - Karim Benzema (10 mins)

    Terrible start for Manchester City as Real Madrid go ahead. It's woeful, woeful defending as well, as Angel Di Maria is given all the time and space in the world to measure a cross in from the right, Maicon then goes to sleep at the far post as Karim Benzema is allowed to walk in and stab home from three yards out.

  126. 1953: 

    First sight of goal for Real Madrid as Luka Modric plats a marvellous pass through to Karim Benzema, he turns inside one challenge but is then well tackled.

    In the build-up to that move Cristiano Ronaldo is cynically checked by Pablo Zabaleta.

  127. 1953: 

    It's been a sloppy opening at Arsenal, with the Gunners giving away the ball on countless occasions. Not for the first time this season Arsene Wenger's side have made a slow start.

  128. 1952: 
    GET INVOLVED

    Toby Chelton on Twitter: "Benitez suits Chelsea. He will play organised attacking football and get the best out of Torres. Owners let him down at Liverpool."

    Jerry Smith on Twitter: "Abramovich has had plenty of practice but can't get it right! Fans won't accept Rafa after what he has said about us."

    Mark Willis on Twitter: "As much as I hated Chelsea under RDM, got to feel for him being replaced in a matter of hours. No respect in football nowadays..."

  129. 1951: 

    Edin Dzeko is putting himself about up front for Manchester City, but after a neat touch and good strength he then put the ball out of play with a poor pass.

  130. 1950: 

    Dodgy start for Arsenal goalkeeper Wojciech Szczesny as he juggles a standard cross from the left from Henri Bedimo - that was very flappy. He gets away with it though at an Emirates Stadium which is a long way from full.

  131. 1948:  
    BBC Radio 5 liveCHELSEA APPOINT BENITEZ

    Spanish football journalist Guillem Balague on 5 live Sport: "Rafael Benitez has said no to many, many people, national teams and clubs. Now this is his chance to show the world, the English public and the Chelsea fans what he can do. He has met with Chelsea three times and he almost reached an agreement. Now Chelsea have come back, and that means they have faith in what he can do. It's good timing for both parties, and I think many people will change their minds when he shows what he can do."

    You can hear Champions League coverage live on 5 live Sport right now.

  132. 1946: 

    Manchester City's wing-backs Maicon and Aleksandar Kolarov are pushed right up top as the hosts make a bright start. Ronaldo then pulls off a cheeky flick with his first touch. He loves it.

  133. 1945: 
    KICK-OFF

    We are away at Arsenal and Manchester City.

  134. 1945:  
    BBC Radio 5 liveCHELSEA APPOINT BENITEZ

    Spanish football journalist Guillem Balague on 5 live Sport: "The profile that Rafael Benitez has got in England is very strange. How quickly people have forgotten that he took Liverpool to two Champions League finals and that he won the Spanish league with Valencia, a league that has got Barcelona and Real Madrid. He also won the Uefa Cup with Valencia. Now he is laughed at, as some sort of fat waiter.

    "Actually, I think there should be a little more respect for Benitez. I am so glad for him - I have seen him work so hard, and I know what he does with teams. I am so glad he has been given a chance at the level that he wanted."

    You can hear Champions League coverage live on 5 live Sport right now.

  135. 1944: 

    Real Madrid are sporting a British Racing Green coloured kit this evening. Interesting choice.

  136. 1942: 

    Tonight is not all about Chelsea - there are two big games in Europe about to kick-off. The players are coming out of the tunnels at both the Emirates and the Etihad - game time is around the corner.

  137. 1941: 
    GET INVOLVED

    Hamish from Uppingham on 81111 on text: "Ridiculous choice from Abramovich to appoint Benitez, the man who single-handedly sank Liverpool!"

    Sam, a Chelsea fan, on 81111 on text: "There will be a serious backlash from the fans. I for one will refuse to watch us as long he is in charge."

    Sean a Tottenham supporter on 81111 on text: "Remember what happened to Inter Milan with Benitez in charge? That's the way Chelsea will go, and I love it."

  138. 1940:  
    Robbie Savage, BBC Radio 5 live at Etihad Stadium

    "There have only been two teams in Champions League history who have qualified from Manchester City's position. This is an unenviable task for City. I think tonight is more about pride, and I'm expecting a good performance from them."

    You can hear Champions League coverage live on 5 live Sport right now.

  139. 1933: 
    GET INVOLVED

    Is Rafael Benitez the right man to take Chelsea forwards then? Are we glad to have him back in the Premier League? Let us know all your thoughts.

    You can text in on 81111 (UK Only) and Tweet us using the hashtag #bbcfootball.

  140. 1932:  
    Robbie Savage, BBC Radio 5 live at Etihad Stadium

    "Chelsea had to give Di Matteo the job once he won the Champions League, but Abramovich wants a Barcelona and he will do all he can to get one. He really wants Pep Guardiola, but Benitez is now coming in. But it's shocking Di Matteo has gone, let's be fair."

    You can hear Champions League coverage live on 5 live Sport right now.

  141. 1932: 

    Here is a statement from Chelsea:

    "Chelsea Football Club can confirm Rafael Benitez has been appointed interim first-team manager until the end of the season.

    The owner and the Board believe that in Benitez we have a manager with significant experience at the highest level of football, who can come in and immediately help deliver our objectives."

  142. 1931: 
    BREAKING NEWS- Chelsea appoint Rafael Benitez

    Rafael Benitez is appointed as interim first-team manager at Chelsea until the end of the season.

  143. 1930: 

    Real Madrid manager Jose Mourinho is celebrating his 100th game in the Champions League tonight. He has just said that winning the tournament with Internazionale was the highlight of his career so far, and winning the cup with Real Madrid, a third different club, is his aim...

  144. 1927: 

    We are 20 minutes away from kick-off then - everyone set? I am predicting goals galore tonight. Goals, goals, goals...

  145. 1925: 
    GET INVOLVED

    Alex Cottier on Twitter: "Please, no! Benitez is not the right person for Chelsea! Could be a very sad day for Chelsea!"

    Gareth Soye on Twitter: "Just for the record: Di Matteo won the same amount for Chelsea in six months as Benitez won with Liverpool in five years..."

  146. 1925: 

    Manchester City manager Roberto Mancini: "The plan is to play good football, we know we play one of the best teams in the world but we will try to do our job. The formation is not important, the attitude is important. None of my players are in trouble with this formation. We can't stop Ronaldo, we have to call the police! He scores every game but I hope he has a bad night."

  147. 1923: 
    LINE-UPS- Arsenal v Montpellier (19:45 GMT)

    Arsenal: Szczesny, Sagna, Mertesacker, Koscielny, Vermaelen, Arteta, Cazorla, Wilshere, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Giroud, Podolski. Subs: Mannone, Ramsey, Coquelin, Arshavin, Jenkinson, Gervinho, Gibbs.

    Montpellier: Jourdren, Deplagne, Congre, El Kaoutari, Bedimo, Yanga M'Biwa, Estrada, Cabella, Belhanda, Mounier, Charbonnier. Subs: Pionnier, Hilton, Marveaux, Herrera, Pitau, Jeunechamp, Martin.

    Referee: Firat Aydinus (Turkey)

  148. 1921: 
    Arsenal v Montpellier (19:45 GMT)

    BBC Sport's David Ornstein reports: "For a club competing in the Champions League for a 15th consecutive season, it is remarkable that Arsenal are still awaiting a first win at home against French opposition in the competition.

    "The Gunners will hope that arrives tonight against a Montpellier side with little to play for, and in-form striker Olivier Giroud will hope to impress against his former club. Victory would see Arsenal reach the knockout stage for a 13th year running if Schalke beat Olympiakos."

  149. 1920:  
    BBC Radio 5 live

    Spanish football journalist Guillem Balague on 5 live Sport: "Chelsea does attract Pep Guardiola. It is a huge club run by somebody who is very passionate about football. It is a club that straightaway will be winning things, or will certainly try, with a squad who can play the football that he likes. It is the club that has tried to seduce him the longest. Roman once sent a helicopter to try to fly him to his yacht in Monaco, but he said no.

    "Chelsea spoke to him indirectly on Monday, with ideas of him taking over. They had this idea of putting Pep in charge for the rest of the season but Pep said no. Di Matteo was clearly not the owner's first choice, and that put him in a very weak position. In January or February Pep will announce a decision about his future."

    You can hear Champions League coverage live on 5 live Sport right now.

  150. 1918: 
    CHELSEA LATEST

    Our colleague Ben Smith has just said on BBC Radio 5 live that Rafael Benitez is set to be appointed as Chelsea manager 'imminently.' Watch this space.

  151. 1917: 

    It's another big night for Arsenal striker Olivier Giroud as he comes up against his former side Montpellier. The big man has come good after a sticky old start at the Emirates and could be a key man tonight. Arsenal lost at home to Schalke last time out but defeat tonight would be a major shock.

  152. 1915: 
    Arsenal v Montpellier (19:45 GMT)

    With his eye on a place in the last 16, Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger is urging his side to 'finish the job'. He insists 'there's no risk this team is complacent', adding that 'a win is essential because it could get us over the line'.

    Montpellier counterpart Rene Girard says 'qualification is over, but we still have slight hope of reaching the Europa League'. Girard admits 'it's an absolute privilege to come to a stadium like this', but tells his team 'we've got nothing to lose'.

  153. 1910: 
    PERMUTATIONS

    For all the possible twists and turns when it comes to qualifying tonight, have a butcher's at our group-by-group guide.

    PSG and Schalke are among the teams who could book their place in the last 16 tonight. It's shaping up to be a very tough knockout stage. Very tough.

  154. 1909: 

    Cristiano Ronaldo is back in Manchester tonight for the first time since he left Manchester United in 2009.

    He was quite good during his Old Trafford days - bagging 84 Premier League goals for Sir Alex Ferguson's men - but he has gone bonkers since joining Madrid. He has scored 165 goals in 162 games for Real. Ridiculous.

  155. 1909: 
    GET INVOLVED

    Ben Smith on Twitter: "Five at the back for City? They'll only be able to soak up so much pressure, then they'll crack. Madrid only need a point. It's over."

    Wil on Twitter: "City may win tonight, but they'll get a beating in Germany against Dortmund. They're going out, again. Already set in stone."

    Travis on Twitter: "Chelsea and City especially had the hardest Champs League draws, Arsenal and United had the easiest. Predictable?"

  156. 1908: 
    Arsenal v Montpellier (19:45 GMT)

    A shoulder injury to Theo Walcott sees Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain make his first start since 3 October on the right of Arsenal's midfield. There are no other changes from the Gunners team that lined up against Tottenham on Saturday, although goalkeeper Wojciech Szczesny starts his first Champions League match this season and Olivier Giroud leads the line against his old club. Montepllier's Younes Belhanda opened the scoring when the sides met in France and he starts just behind lone-striker Gaetan Charbonnier tonight.

  157. 1906: 
    LINE-UPS- Man City v Real Madrid (19:45 GMT)

    Man City: Hart, Zabaleta, Kompany, Nastasic, Maicon, Kolarov, Nasri, Toure, Silva, Dzeko, Aguero. Subs: Pantilimon, Lescott, Milner, Sinclair, Javi Garcia, Barry, Tevez.

    Real Madrid: Casillas, Arbeloa, Sergio Ramos, Pepe, Fabio Coentrao, Khedira, Alonso, Di Maria, Modric, Ronaldo, Benzema. Subs: Adan, Varane, Kaka, Ozil, Albiol, Callejon, Nacho.

    Referee: Gianluca Rocchi (Italy)

  158. 1905:  
    BBC Sport Chief Football Writer Phil McNulty at Etihad Stadium

    "Manchester City place Maicon against Ronaldo again tonight. Might be a case of cross your fingers and hope for the best from Mancini."

  159. 1904: 
    Man City v Real Madrid (19:45 GMT)

    Manchester City boss Roberto Mancini elects to go with a 3-5-2 formation, with Edin Dzeko picked to partner Sergio Aguero in attack. Pablo Zabaleta joins Matija Nastasic and Vincent Kompany at the back.

    Former Tottenham attacking midfielder Luka Modric starts for Real Madrid with Germany international Mesut Ozil on the bench. Sami Khedira recovers from injury to partner ex-Liverpool player Xabi Alonso in midfield.

  160. 1903: 
    BREAKING TEAM NEWS- Arsenal v Montpellier (19:45 GMT)

    Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain comes in to the Arsenal side in place of the injured Theo Walcott in the only change from the side which beat Tottenham at the weekend.

  161. 1902: 

    Infostrada Sports tweets: "Malaga are the first Champions League debutants to finish head of their group in their maiden season since Tottenham Hotspur in 2010/2011."

  162. 1901:  
    BBC Sport Chief Football Writer Phil McNulty at the EtihadMan City v Real Madrid (19:45 GMT)

    "Manchester City meet Jose Mourinho's Real Madrid knowing only victory will suffice if they want to have any hope of making the last 16 of the Champions League - and even that is unlikely to be enough.

    "City manager Roberto Mancini will at least want to claim some pride and success from what has been a dismal campaign which has brought only two points from four games. Mourinho has already put any lingering City hopes to bed, announcing they would not qualify even if they won their final two matches."

  163. 1900:  
    BBC Radio 5 live

    5 live sport has just begun with Mark Pougatch building up to a night of Champions League action including live commentary of Manchester City v Real Madrid, plus updates from Arsenal v Montpellier.

    You can listen live right now.

  164. 1857: 
    GET INVOLVED

    Mike at the Etihad on 81111 on text: "It's never over. Mathematically it is possible and, as last season showed, we are the new comeback kings."

    Brent, en route to the Emirates, on 81111 on text: "Big wins tonight for Arsenal and Real Madrid who both go through. City to join Chelsea in the Europa League."

    Pete D in the Wirral on 81111 on text: "Jose could play it safe - more likely to send a message to managerless Chelsea. Especially if Madrid beat City tonight, who then turn over Chelsea at the weekend..."

  165. 1857: 

    Some good news for City tonight is the fact that they are unbeaten in 19 European home matches since a 1-0 loss to FC Midtjylland in the 2008-09 Uefa Cup second qualifying round.

    The bad news is that they are up against a Real Madrid side who have already scored 10 goals in the competition, had 49 shots on target and have a manager in Jose Mourinho who is making his 100th appearance in the competition. He knows his onions.

  166. 1856: 
    CHAMPIONS LEAGUE UPDATE

    There's been an early game already, where a point for Zenit St Petersburg just about keeps them in the hunt for a last-16 Champions League spot in Group C after a 2-2 draw at home to Malaga.

    The Russians came from 2-0 down to snatch a point, although their qualification hopes will be extinguished if AC Milan beat Anderlecht in Brussels later on. Malaga's point ensures that they will top Group C.

    Danny produced one of the worst misses you will ever see in that game as well. Stood on the ball, about six inches out. Criminal.

  167. 1851: 
    GET INVOLVED

    Ben Johnson on Twitter: "City will win both their remaining group games and still go out. All the money in the world but we're still City in the end."

    Anas Parekh on Twitter: "Arsenal and Manchester United are going to be the only two English teams going through in the Champions League, just like the good old days."

    Stew on Twitter: "City playing five in defence? Sitting back, inviting the pressure of one of the greatest attacking teams in the world? Risky..."

  168. 1849: 

    After all the chat about Edin Dzeko's prowess as a super-sub, the striker gets a start tonight, with Carlos Tevez left on the bench. With Maicon and Aleksandar Kolarov at wing-backs it could be a very attackign line-up from City tonight.

  169. 1847: 

    One Italian manager named Roberto saw his side beaten in the Champions League last night, and we all know how that turned out.

    Roberto Di Matteo was canned at Chelsea this morning, and with former Liverpool gaffer Rafa Benitez reportedly on his way to London for talks about replacing him, it's been a hectic few hours at the Bridge.

    I will of course keep you up to speed with any developments on that story as the night goes on.

  170. 1844: 
    Arsenal v Montpellier (19:45 GMT)

    In Group B, Arsenal's hopes remain in the balance as they lie second. The Gunners trail table-toppers Schalke 04 by one point and lead Olympiakos, in third, by the same slender margin.

    Olympiakos travel to Germany to play Schalke with the Greek club needing to avoid defeat to take qualification to the final game when they host Arsenal on 4 December.

    To cut a long story short, Arsenal will qualify if they beat Montpellier and Olympiakos lose at Schalke. Simple as that.

  171. 1843: 

    Everton captain Phil Neville on Twitter: "On my way to the game - can feel it's going to be one of those special European nights I've got a sneak for a RONALDO hat-trick!!"

  172. 1842: 
    Man City v Real Madrid (19:45 GMT)

    City are bottom of Group D and their hopes of progressing look slim as they need to take maximum points against Real and away in Dortmund in the final group game, while hoping other results go their way.

    Dortmund travel to third-placed Ajax tonight, who are four points behind them and three behind Real, needing a draw to confirm their place in the next round.

    Real can also go through tonight - a draw would be enough if Dortmund win. After that it all gets a bit confusing...

  173. 1841: 
    GET INVOLVED

    So what do City fans think out there? Are you keeping the dream alive? Or are you out? Has this been a wake-up call? Have you been surprised by City's struggles?

    What about Arsenal - are they going through to the knockout stages yet again? Or is it not quite plain sailing for Arsene Wenger's boys either? Let us know all your thoughts on the big Champions League games coming up, as well as the small matter of Chelsea's latest batch of hiring and firing. Rafa on his way in?

    You can text in on 81111 (UK Only) and Tweet us using the hashtag #bbcfootball.

  174. 1839: 

    It's been a pretty grim Champions League adventure for Manchester City so far this season. After four games in Group D, Roberto Mancini's side are yet to win and have just two points.

    But, mathematically at least, they are not knocked out yet. Win tonight, and then beat Dortmund in Germany in the group's finale, and then hope that other results go their way, and they could yet squeak through.

    It's a slim chance - but it's a chance.

  175. 1837: 
    BREAKING TEAM NEWS- Man City v Real Madrid (19:45 GMT)

    Edin Dzeko starts for Manchester City, who appear to be playing a five-man defence.

  176. 1830: 

    "I think City can win on Wednesday, of course they can, and they can also win in Dortmund, why not?

    "But eight points is not enough. I think they are out for a second time and that must be difficult for them."

    Not my words, the words of Real Madrid manager Jose Mourinho yesterday. Is writing off Manchester City a dangerous game? Or will tonight just be the final nail in City's Champions League coffin?

    We are about to find out...

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Position Team P GD PTS
1 FC Porto 5 7 13
2 Paris SG 5 10 12
3 Dynamo Kiev 5 -4 4
4 Din Zagreb 5 -13 0

Champ Lge Group B table snapshot

As it stood on 21 Nov 2012 23:59 UK

Position Team P GD PTS
1 Schalke 04 5 4 11
2 Arsenal 5 3 10
3 Olympiakos 5 -1 6
4 Montpellier 5 -6 1

Champ Lge Group C table snapshot

As it stood on 21 Nov 2012 23:59 UK

Position Team P GD PTS
1 Malaga 5 7 11
2 AC Milan 5 2 8
3 Zenit St P'sbg 5 -4 4
4 Anderlecht 5 -5 4

Champ Lge Group D table snapshot

As it stood on 21 Nov 2012 23:59 UK

Position Team P GD PTS
1 Borussia Dortmund 5 5 11
2 Real Madrid 5 3 8
3 Ajax 5 -5 4
4 Man City 5 -3 3

Champ Lge Group E table snapshot

As it stood on 21 Nov 2012 23:59 UK

Position Team P GD PTS
1 Shakhtar Donetsk 5 5 10
2 Juventus 5 7 9
3 Chelsea 5 1 7
4 Nordsjaelland 5 -13 1

Champ Lge Group F table snapshot

As it stood on 21 Nov 2012 23:59 UK

Position Team P GD PTS
1 Bayern Munich 5 5 10
2 Valencia 5 6 10
3 BATE Borisov 5 -3 6
4 Lille 5 -8 3

Champ Lge Group G table snapshot

As it stood on 21 Nov 2012 23:59 UK

Position Team P GD PTS
1 Barcelona 5 6 12
2 Benfica 5 0 7
3 Celtic 5 0 7
4 Spartak Moscow 5 -6 3

Champ Lge Group H table snapshot

As it stood on 21 Nov 2012 23:59 UK

Position Team P GD PTS
1 Man Utd 5 4 12
2 Galatasaray 5 0 7
3 CFR Cluj-Napoca 5 1 7
4 Braga 5 -5 3