Dundee v Dundee Utd as it happened

Live text commentary of the derby between Dundee and Dundee United at Dens Park in the Scottish Premier League.

9 December 2012 Last updated at 15:18 GMT

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  1. 1209: 

    Good afternoon and welcome to our live text commentary for this afternoon's Dundee derby at Dens Park.

  2. 1213: 

    Who will emerge with the bragging rights in Dundee? Give us your thoughts by getting in touch today, texting 80295 or tweeting the commentary using the hashtag #bbcsportsound - or message me @CliveLindsayBBC

  3. 1216: 

    The sky is a beautiful blue over Dens Park today. But will it be the Dark Blues to emerge victorious in the derby?

  4. 1220: 
    Dundee United manager Peter Houston on BBC Radio Scotland

    "Johnny Russell and Jon Daly can be a handful for any defence, but we have to get the supply to them. We allegedly have the better team, but the better team don't always win derbies.

    "There are no easy games in the SPL. I don't think there is a gap between the other 11 teams - Celtic have had European football on their mind."

  5. 1222: 

    Dundee United are unchanged from their Scottish Cup win over Stranraer. Dundee bring Nicky Riley into midfield in place of Ryan Conroy after their knock-out success over Livingston.

  6. 1222: 
    Dundee manager Barry Smith on BBC Radio Scotland

    "The pitch is looking brilliant. The groundsman's done really well.

    "It's a game that everybody wants to win. It is about the Dundee players and how we cope with what United throw at us.

    "The players are getting to know what it takes to win games and football is all about confidence. But the quicker we pick up points the better.

    "Our supporters have waited seven years to get this back at Dens and, if we can get it right, we'll send them home with happy faces.

    "We like to get the ball down and play, but today is all about whatever it takes to win."

  7. 1224: 

    Yes, this is the first Dundee derby at Dens Park since the Dark Blues returned to the Scottish Premier League. United won 2-1 on their last visit, in April 2005. Mark Wilson and Jim McIntyre scored for United, with Steve Lovell hitting the net for Dundee.

  8. 1225: 

    From Martin Angus on Twitter: "Looking forward to this one. Dundee have improved since they came to Tannadice in Aug - but Utd should have just enough. 2-1. #bbcsportsound."

  9. 1227: 

    As Martin alluded to there, United won the first Dundee derby of the season 3-0 at Tannadice Park on 19 August, with Gavin Gunning scoring and Johnny Russell grabbing a double. But Dundee were still finding their feet after their late entry to the top flight following the demise of Rangers. Even on that day, they were well in the game until going behind.

  10. 1229: 

    In these derbies down the years, United have recorded 72 wins to Dundee's 45. United's lead when they have been in league opposition is 59-38.

  11. 1230: 

    Dundee: Douglas, Irvine, Benedictus, Gallagher, Lockwood, Riley, Davidson, McBride, McAlister, Milne, John Baird. Subs: Alex Baird, McGregor, Toshney, Boyle, Conroy, Reid, Buchan.

    Dundee Utd: Cierzniak, Watson, McLean, Gunning, Douglas, Flood, Rankin, Skacel, Armstrong, Daly, Russell. Subs: Banks, Ryan, Millar, Gardyne, Dow, Lacny, Barrett.

  12. 1231: 

    Referee today at Dens Park is Willie Collum.

  13. 1235: 
    Former Dundee and Dundee United striker Billy Dodds on BBC Radio Scotland

    "It's a tremendous fixture to be involved in. Player by player, United are the better team, but for what it means for Dundee, I think they will have enough to take something from the game today."

  14. 1236: 

    After a six-game losing streak, Dundee have won three of their last five matches, beating Livingston 2-0 at Almondvale in the Scottish Cup last weekend. Definitely a suggestion that they are finding their feet and giving St Mirren, Ross County and even United above them some cause for alarm.

  15. 1238: 

    United are going for a third straight away victory, their last being a 5-0 hammering of Stranraer in the Scottish Cup at Stair Park.

  16. 1239: 

    There will be a minute's silence ahead of kick-off for Doug Smith, the United stalwart and former player and chairman who died earlier this week. A gentleman held in high regard throughout the city, so expect the tribute to be well observed by both sets of fans.

  17. 1245: 

    There's a great atmosphere as the teams take to the field at Dens Park. A standing ovation already. Hope the fans are just as pleased at the final whistle, no matter which side wins.

  18. 1247: 

    A minute's applause instead of a silence for former Dundee United player and chairman Doug Smith is ringing out around the stadium. Nice touch.

  19. 1248: 

    We're off as the first Dundee derby at Dens Park for seven years gets underway with the hosts kicking down the hill!

  20. 1252: 

    Dundee are applying the early pressure in a fast and furious start to the game, as you might expect in a derby.

  21. 1255: 

    A great weaving run into the penalty box by Nicky Riley has the Dundee fans on their feet. John Baird then has a shot blocked eight yards out.

  22. 1255: 

    A looping header from Nicky Riley goes over the crossbar with United goalkeeper Radosław Cierzniak stranded after punching clear from the corner. Willo Flood had backtracked on to the line but might have still been beaten had that long-range header dropped under the woodwork.

  23. 1257: 

    From John Boyle on Twitter: "United won't win today. They cant play in the wind #bbcsportsound."

  24. 1300: 
    BBC Radio Scotland pundit Willie Miller

    "Dundee are just up for it, while Dundee United just haven't started in any shape or form"

  25. 1304: 

    United at last trek up the hill towards the Dundee penalty box and win a corner. Willo Flood ambles across to take it. BBC Radio Scotland pundit Willie Miller is disappointed with the lack of enthusiasm shown by the midfielder.

  26. 1305: 
    GOAL Dundee 0-1 Dundee United (Watson)

    Keith Watson stoops to score with a flicked header at the front post that somehow finds its way past Dundee goalkeeper Rab Douglas following a second successive corner.

  27. 1307: 

    United full-back Barry Douglas is the first to be booked for a late challenge on the nippy Nicky Riley. Completely deserved caution.

  28. 1310: 

    United winger Rudi Skacel and Dundee midfielder Iain Davidson are both off the park after a clash of heads as the visitors win another corner.

  29. 1311: 
    BBC Radio Scotland pundit Willie Miller

    "The goal has given United some impetus and they are doing things a lot quicker"

  30. 1314: 

    John Baird forces a good save from goalkeeper Radosław Cierzniak with a header after a ball over the United defence. But the Dundee forward was clearly offside in any case.

  31. 1316: 

    Barry Douglas fells Nicky Riley again. The United full-back has already been booked and could be heading for an early bath if he is not careful.

  32. 1317: 

    Unmarked striker Stevie Milne squanders a glorious chance to equalise for Dundee, volleying over from 12 yards.

  33. 1323: 

    Keith Watson comes close to a second goal for United with a powerful drive that Dundee goalkeeper Rab Douglas awkwardly scoops over the crossbar.

  34. 1323: 

    Johnny Russell should have put United 2-0 ahead there. Barry Douglas's cross finds the striker eight yards out, but he heads wide.

  35. 1325: 

    A last-ditch challenge from Declan Gallagher saves the day for Dundee after a thrusting run from Johnny Russell. Great play from the former Clyde defender.

  36. 1329: 

    Jim McAllister sets up Stevie Milne with space to shoot just outside the United penalty box, but the striker does not have his shooting boots on today and fires low and weakly straight at Radoslaw Cierzniak.

  37. 1332: 

    United have started to compete better in the centre of midfield after manager Peter Houston switched Willo Flood with Rudi Skacel so the Czech is on the wing and the combative Irishman in the engine room.

  38. 1334: 

    Dundee striker John Baird fires a long-range drive at goal, but it flies well over the crossbar. Experienced Dundee derby striker Billy Dodds suggests on BBC Radio Scotland that Baird failed to compensate for the Dens Park slope there. To be fair, it would still have missed the target had the pitch been on the flat!

  39. 1335: 
    HALF-TIME Dundee 0-1 Dundee United

    United have the edge in the Dundee derby in terms of goals thanks to Keith Watson's header. However, it has been a fairly even first 45 at Dens Park, with both sides displaying some woeful finishing, especially the home side.

  40. 1339: 

    The sunshine appeared to be troubling Dundee goalkeeper Rab Douglas in the first half. He started with a cap, which he angrily discarded just after losing that goal. Will it hamper United in the second half, or will they continue with the tradition of playing better shooting down the Dens Park hill towards their own fans behind that goal?

  41. 1340: 

    Dundee are peppering the United left-back position, where they have obviously pinpointed a weakness. Nicky Riley was chosen ahead of Ryan Conroy and the nimble winger has tortured Barry Douglas with his pace and the full-back has already been booked. Will manager Peter Houston risk a red card or consider a change in personnel at half-time?

  42. 1342: 

    By the way, Celtic manager Neil Lennon has been speaking to BBC Radio 5 live and says he wants to avoid Manchester United and Borussia Dortmund in the draw for the last 16 of the Champions League. He also talks about the prospect of one day managing in the Premier League down in England.

  43. 1349: 

    From Andrew by text: "Another derby in Dundee later on this evening. Pro ice hockey. Dundee Stars v Braehead Clan. I'm Andrew Mcartney, the Stars announcer. Reminded me when we can hear the Dundee announcer behind the half-time chat!" Derby? That's like calling Inverness Caley Thistle against Aberdeen a derby in terms of distance!

  44. 1352: 

    Dundee have shouts for a penalty waved away after John Baird's cross strikes the arm of Brian McLean. Stevie Milne fires straight at the United goalkeeper amid the shouts, but it should have been a spot kick.

  45. 1356: 

    After me praising Declan Gallagher in the first half, the Dundee defender's poorly struck clearance falls straight to Johnny Russell and the striker's low drive strikes the outside of the post.

  46. 1358: 

    Dundee goalkeeper Rab Douglas is fortunate as he is caught in two minds with an attempted clearance. His hesitation actually fools Johnny Russell and the striker is dummied when he could have stolen the ball from the veteran's feet and scored into an empty net.

  47. 1401: 

    United midfielder Rudi Skacel is booked for a high challenge on Dundee defender Kyle Benedictus.

  48. 1404: 

    Dundee appear to have run out of ideas and are now resorting to long balls forward. United, meanwhile, are looking more dangerous, as predicted, shooting down the slope and especially on the break.

  49. 1409: 

    Dundee midfielder Iain Davidson fires a low drive a few feet wide from 20 yards.

  50. 1410: 

    Dundee have to break a worrying trend if they are to get back into this game. They have not scored in the last 25 minutes of any game this season. Stats courtesy of BBC Radio Scotland commentator Paul Mitchell.

  51. 1412: 

    Brian McLean is booked for taking out Dundee winger Jim McAlister 25 yards out with a late challenge. Matt Lockwood forces Radoslaw Cierzniak into a fine out-handed touch over the crossbar with a superbly curled free-kick that was heading into the top corner.

  52. 1415: 

    Gary Irvine takes out United midfielder Stuart Armstrong in the act of crossing to Jon Daly, who fires straight at goalkeeper Rab Douglas from close range.

  53. 1416: 
    GOAL Dundee 0-2 Dundee United (Daly)

    Jon Daly scores from the penalty spot. The United striker's shot looked fairly close to Rab Douglas, but the goalkeeper was unable to move his 40-year-old limbs quick enough to prevent the visitors taking a two-goal lead.

  54. 1421: 
    BBC Radio Scotland pundit Billy Dodds

    "I think it was a harsh one. You can't allow the advantage and then give the penalty" There is some suggestion that referee Willie Collum did not blow his whistle until after Jon Daly had failed to score from Stuart Armstrong's cross. Could Dundee manager Barry Smith have something to say about that after the final whistle? Keep reading here or listening to BBC Radio Scotland to find out.

  55. 1427: 

    United goalkeeper Radoslaw Cierzniak is left injured after Iain Davidson leaves his foot in chasing a long ball. The Dundee midfielder is lucky not to be shown the yellow card there.

  56. 1430: 

    Dundee's challenge is petering out here. They haven't threatened the United goal for some minutes now and the home crowd has gone fairly quiet. The life is being squeezed out of them by United.

  57. 1430: 

    It was only a matter of time before Dundee midfielder Iain Davidson went into the referee's book. This time for leaving the boot in on Richie Ryan, who has been sent on to replace the anonymous Rudi Skacel.

  58. 1433: 
    GOAL Dundee 0-3 Dundee United (Flood)

    Willo Flood's drive was probably heading into the arms of goalkeeper Rab Doublas, but it deflects off Kyle Benedictus and into the net. Game over (although it probably was already)!

  59. 1436: 

    United goalkeeper Radoslaw Cierzniak has rarely been troubled but has a wee nervous moment when he allows a Kevin McBride shot to slip out of his grasp. However, it squirms wide and would have mattered little in any case.

  60. 1438: 
    FULL-TIME Dundee 0-3 Dundee United
  61. 1439: 

    Dundee United move back into seventh place, leapfrogging back over Hearts, who were winners over Aberdeen yesterday.

  62. 1440: 
    BBC Radio Scotland's Chick Young

    "I am sure Barry Smith will be absolutely furious. I think Willie Collum got those two decisions wrong and there's been a miscarriage of justice". Chick's opinion of the referee's decision not to give a penalty against United's Brian McLean and to award a spot kick to United after initially allowing play to continue for United's second goal.

  63. 1443: 

    From Finbar O'Boyle on Twitter re earlier tweet: "I am so embarrassed I have changed my name - I guess the wind must have dropped quite significantly!#bbcsportsound."

  64. 1447: 
    Dundee United manager Peter Houston on BBC Radio Scotland

    "I am not concerned about the quality of the passing.

    "The most important thing for all these supporters is that we won the game.

    "I don't think that the penalty was controversial. Stuart Armstrong was wiped out as he was crossing the ball.

    "It might have been hand ball against McLean, but there was one at the other end at the first half. It was difficult to see in the sunlight.

    "From the dugout side, you could hardly see a thing."

  65. 1454: 
    BBC Radio Scotland pundit Willie Miller

    "The difference between the teams was that certain quality. Dundee just don't have that quality but plenty of endeavour"

  66. 1455: 
    Dundee manager Barry Smith on BBC Radio Scotland

    "I've not seen either decision, but at the time I thought it was a certain penalty against Brian McLean.

    "The referee has made two major decisions today and, in our opinion, we've got both of them wrong.

    "Their penalty, is it an advantage or a penalty? They have to clear this up. Do they know what the rule is?

    "The referee is not talking, but it would be better if he was able to come out and explain his decision.

    "Yes, I'm angry. Nobody likes getting beat in derbies.

    "If they keep putting in performances, we will give ourselves every chance to stay in this league.

    "It is an important game next week against Ross County."


    From Alan in Eyemouth by text: "If players make mistakes then their managers can drop them, but we don't seem to see refs get punished. Surely under-performing refs should be made to miss games if they keep getting decisions wrong." To be fair, there are occasions when referees do get lesser fixtures or drop out of the front line for a few weeks after controversies. Mark Clattenburg is an example. Perhaps it doesn't happen enough. That is another argument.

  68. 1502: 

    Well, thanks for your company this afternoon. It might not have been the prettiest of matches, or the most exciting of derbies. However, we got some goals and plenty of controversy. Join us again for Scottish Cup replay action on Tuesday and Wednesday.

  69. 1507: 

    Monday's planned Scottish Cup game between Cowdenbeath and St Johnstone has been called off after the Blue Brazil's Central Park pitch failed an inspection today because of the big freeze.

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Position Team P GD PTS
1 Celtic 16 17 31
2 Inverness CT 17 6 28
3 Motherwell 17 5 27
4 Hibernian 17 3 27
5 Aberdeen 17 3 24
6 St Johnstone 17 -1 24
7 Dundee Utd 16 1 23
8 Hearts 17 -2 21
9 Kilmarnock 16 2 19
10 Ross County 17 -6 17
11 St Mirren 17 -8 17
12 Dundee 16 -20 11