Health and social care: Chris Ham and Norman Lamb
Chris Ham from the King's Fund said there should be a pooled budget for health and social care budgets as an ageing population meant more people had needs that spanned the two services.
Minister Norman Lamb said most people did not understand the difference between the two services and "they just want to receive care".
He said there should be a "fully-integrated system by 2018" and the government was to make announcements in September that would "really push the boundaries".
They debated with former home secretary Lord Reid about why this had not been carried out by previous governments.
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18 Jun 2013