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Summary

  1. Next Ministerial Statement: Child protection
  2. Next: Human rights debate
  3. Next: Armed services advice project in a year of remembrance debate

Live Reporting

By Ailsa Brown and Craig Hutchison

All times stated are UK

  1. Parliament is adjourned

    That concludes our coverage of the Scottish Parliament on 11/11/2014.

    We will be back tomorrow morning at 10am with coverage of the Economy, Energy and Tourism committee, until then have a peaceful night.

  2. Keith Brown

    Veterans Minister Keith Brown congratulates the excellent work of ASAP and said that earlier today he had unveiled the plaque at Glasgow Central Station, pictured below.

    Mr Brown highlighted the success, determination and hard work of ASAP and the support it offers.

    Veterans Minister Keith Brown MSP
    Image caption: Veterans Minister Keith Brown MSP

    He says the ASAP report makes very interesting reading.

    The minister is critical of the UK government welfare reforms and the impact they have on veterans.

  3. War dead remembered across Scotland

    Ms McKelvie's debate of course deliberately coincides with Remembrance Day which has been marked across Scotland:

    Here are some of the images from around Scotland:

    edinburgh waverley station
    Image caption: Wreaths are laid at Edinburgh's Waverley Station
    edinburgh piper
    Image caption: A piper leads the commemorations in Edinburgh
    frank mulholland
    Image caption: Lord Advocate Frank Mulholland pays his respects outside the High Court in Livingston where crosses carry the names of fallen soldiers
    war veterans in inverness
    Image caption: War veterans in Inverness
    Aberdeen Lord Provost
    Image caption: Lord Provost George Adam leads the two-minute silence in Aberdeen
    plaque at central station
    Image caption: A plaque is unveiled at Glasgow Central Station for the thousands who left to serve in World War One and Two
  4. ASAP report

    According to its website, the Armed Services Advice Project (ASAP) was established in 2010 to be a focal point for the Armed Forces Community (AFC) in Scotland for access to advice, information and support, while working closely with key partner organisations to ensure that clients receive the most appropriate support.

    edinburgh piper
    Image caption: The report was published on the same day a piper led the commemorations in Edinburgh

    The organisation published 'Supporting the Scottish Armed Forces Community in 2014' earlier today, providing an update to the findings of the 'Civvy Street: The New Frontline report' which was published in 2012.

    The new report concludes that veterans have distinct support and advice needs when compared with other client groups at citizens advice bureaux.

    This shows the value of having a dedicated project aimed at addressing these needs.

  5. 'Successful transition'

    Scottish Conservative Alex Fergusson says most service people make a successful transition back into civilian life.

    Conservative MSP Alex Fergusson
    Image caption: Conservative MSP Alex Fergusson

    "It is to be fervently hoped that the number making that successful transition has increased and will increase with time."

  6. ASAP praised

    SNP MSP Christina McKelvie says a lot of veterans have problems when they return from service and when they try to settle and find a job.

    Ms McKelvie ends by quoting a service user who said: "ASAP have been absolutely brilliant."

  7. ASAP

    The SNP MSP congratulates ASAP for providing this support to forces and their families across Scotland, and delivering benefits to over 5,300 clients across Scotland, putting £3.5 million back into client's pockets and resolving countless debt, housing and benefit issues every week.

    In the summer it was announced that vulnerable ex-service personnel were to receive specialist support if they come into contact with the police.

    British soldiers in Iraq
    Image caption: Police and Citizens' Advice Scotland are to work together with former service personnel who encounter problems after leaving the armed forces

    A new scheme will see veterans - whether they are victims, witnesses or offenders - referred to Citizens Advice Scotland (CAS).

    The Armed Services Advice Project aims to help troops who encounter problems after returning to civilian life.

    CAS chairman Dominic Notarangelo said: "Vulnerable veterans are a hard-to-reach group."

    Most veterans successfully reintegrate after leaving the forces.

    But for some, additional support is needed to deal with problems arising from drug or alcohol abuse and homelessness.

  8. Remembrance debate

    SNP MSP Christina McKelvie is leading a debate on armed services advice project in a year of remembrance.

    In her motion Ms McKelvie commends the work undertaken by the Armed Services Advice Project (ASAP), a service funded by Poppyscotland and delivered by the Citizens Advice Scotland for serving and former armed forces personnel and their families.

    SNP MSP Christina McKelvie
    Image caption: SNP MSP Christina McKelvie

    Ms McKelvie says that most service people make successful transitions back into civilian life but that, for those who do not, ASAP is a lifeline that can help people in a time of need.

    She says in this year of remembrance that suffering and sacrifice is sadly not a thing of the past and believes that society owes it to the armed forces and their families to help them out in their time of need.

  9. Decision time

    MSPs vote on the motion and amendment from the Scottish government debate on human rights.

    The amendment from the Scottish Conservative MSP Jackson Carlaw was rejected, with 10 MSPs backing it and with 100 MSPs voting against it.

    Community Safety and Legal Affair's Minister Roseanna Cunningham saw her motion passed with 100 MSPs backing it and 10 voting against.

  10. Scottish government closing

    Community Safety and Legal Affairs Minister Roseanna Cunningham says "Scotland isn't interested in ditching the Human Rights act" or leaving the European Convention of Human Rights.

    Community Safety and Legal Affairs Minister Roseanna Cunningham
    Image caption: Community Safety and Legal Affairs Minister Roseanna Cunningham

    Ms Cunningham says Scotland's views on this issue matter and says the unequivocal support for the Human Rights Act and the ECHR.

    The minister says they should not be used for "cheap political advantage".

  11. Labour closing

    Labour MSP Elaine Murray says she finds it somewhat shocking that the UK might in future backslide on human rights.

    Labour MSP Elaine Murray
    Image caption: Labour MSP Elaine Murray

    If a bill is brought to repeal the Human Rights Act, Ms Murray hopes every party will unite to oppose such measures.

  12. Conservative closing

    Conservative MSP Murdo Fraser asks the chamber "where do we draw the line" in the balance between codified European judgements and the views of the majority of people in the country.

    Mr Fraser says: "We all agree with human rights."

    Conservative MSP Murdo Fraser
    Image caption: Conservative MSP Murdo Fraser

    He says everyone agrees with the codification of human rights and goes on to praise the work of David Maxwell Fyfe in the drafting of the European Convention of Human Rights.

    It is the way the convention is interpreted by the European courts that causes the concern, says Mr Fraser.

  13. Scottish Lib Dems

    Earlier in the debate Scottish Liberal Democrat justice spokesperson Alison McInnes MSP said

    "A tiny minority of cases, portrayed as meddling in our domestic affairs, have led to it being unfairly maligned. It is disappointing that the conservatives' amendment today, which seeks to remove expression of support for the Human Rights Act 1998, echoes such attitudes.

    Liberal Democrat Alison McInnes
    Image caption: Liberal Democrat Alison McInnes

    "Driven by fear of UKIP, their plans to selectively ignore the convention, limit its powers or withdraw entirely are ill-considered.

    "What message would this send to others - to those countries which account for tens of thousands of cases at the ECHR?"

  14. Scotland's National Action Plan for Human Rights

    Independent MSP John Finnie, begins his speech by declaring his membership of Amnesty International.

    Independent MSP John Finnie
    Image caption: Independent MSP John Finnie

    He praises Scotland's National Action Plan for Human Rights saying it is leading the way.

    Mr Finnie says, however, "everything is not rosy in the garden of Scotland either", citing the treatment of Gypsy/Travellers in the country.

  15. Background

    The Tories at Westminster have also said they would be prepared to exercise their right to withdraw from the European Convention if Parliament and the British courts could not veto laws from applying to the UK.

    The Council of Europe, comprising European Convention member states, said it was "inconceivable" that the UK, as a founding member, could leave

    European Court of Human Rights
    Image caption: European Court of Human Rights

    Under the plans, Strasbourg judgements would be treated as "advisory" rather than binding while the UK's Supreme Court would be "the ultimate arbiter" on human rights matters.

    Justice Secretary Chris Grayling added: "We have taken strong legal advice on this. The attorney general has looked at our plans and agreed they are fine, viable and legal."

    But But former Attorney General Dominic Grieve - who was sacked as attorney general in July - questioned how such changes could be enforced in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

  16. Analysis

    Analysis by legal correspondent Clive Coleman

    The European Convention on Human Rights was concluded in the aftermath of World War Two, drafted by British lawyers and supported by Winston Churchill.

    Winston Churchill
    Image caption: Winston Churchill

    It enshrined human rights that applied equally to all, the good guys and the bad guys.

    The UK signed up to that and to a 'club', The Council of Europe, whose members work cooperatively on matters relating to human rights and the rule of law across Europe.

    A condition of membership is abiding by the decisions of the European Court of Human Rights.

    These proposals address what is described as mission creep, decisions of that court into areas never intended.

    They amount to saying, we want to change the rules of the club as they apply to us and we want to be able to limit human rights in respect of some people who abuse their responsibilities.

    The Conservatives say they'd write the text of the European Convention into UK law, but with limitations on some rights.

    But critics say this is human rights "a la carte", and that it is not legally possible without the UK leaving not just the Council of Europe, but the EU.

  17. Human Rights Act 1998

    Labour's Elaine Murray says there is no need for an amendment to this debate as her party agrees with the Scottish government's motion for the human rights debate.

    Labour MSP Elaine Murray
    Image caption: Labour MSP Elaine Murray

    Ms Murray also defends Labour's Human Rights Act 1998.

  18. Jackson Carlaw

    Mr Carlaw says a future UK Conservative government will prepare a new bill of British rights.

    Conservative MSP Jackson Carlaw
    Image caption: Conservative MSP Jackson Carlaw

    He says the prime minister will repeal Labour's Human Rights Act if re-elected.

    In the eventuality of a Conservative government at Westminster there will be a UK bill of rights and responsibilities in which "we all have confidence" says Mr Carlaw.

  19. Conservative amendment

    Conservative MSP Jackson Carlaw's amendment:

    As an amendment to motion S4M-11484 in the name of Roseanna Cunningham (Human Rights), leave out from "expresses its confidence" to end and insert "believes that human rights must be protected in a manner that promotes public confidence and remains fitting to the spirit of the convention and other international statements of rights; recalls the UK's role in composing the convention and its status as the first nation to ratify it; acknowledges the work of David Maxwell Fyfe in the drafting of the convention, and welcomes the position of the UK as a prominent supporter of democracy, human rights and the rule of law internationally, taking real steps to end abuses of human rights around the globe."

  20. Westminster

    The Conservatives have described their plans to stop British laws being overruled by human rights judgements from Strasbourg as "viable and legal".

    Justice Secretary Chris Grayling said if the Tories won the 2015 election, a new Bill of Rights would give UK courts and Parliament the "final say".

    There should be no "legal blank cheque to take human rights into areas where they have never applied", he added.

    But former Attorney General Dominic Grieve said the plans were flawed.

    The European Court of Human Rights
    Image caption: UK ministers say the European Court of Human Rights is over-reaching itself

    The Tory MP said they would be "difficult to implement" and risked "undermining" the UK's - and his own party's - tradition of upholding human rights.

    Labour and the Lib Dems have said the proposals are politically motivated while the UK Independence Party claimed they were "worthless".

    The Conservatives have pledged for a decade to scrap the 1998 Human Rights Act, introduced under the Labour government, which incorporates the European Convention on Human Rights into British law.

  21. Rosanna Cunningham

    Ms Cunningham says it is no accident that human rights are mentioned in four out of the five submissions to the Smith Commission.

    She says the potential withdrawal from the European Convention on Human Rights is a danger this parliament has a duty to confront.

    Community Safety and Legal Affairs Secretary Roseanna Cunningham
    Image caption: Community Safety and Legal Affairs Secretary Roseanna Cunningham

    The minister says Scotland's membership of ECHR and the Council of Europe must be a part of any constitutional settlement.

  22. Human rights debate begins

    Community Safety and Legal Affairs Minister Roseanna Cunningham opens the debate on human rights.

  23. Coming up human rights

    Community Safety and Legal Affairs Minister Roseanna Cunningham will lead a debate on human rights.

    Her motion is available in full below:

    Human Rights-That the Parliament re-affirms and re-asserts, on behalf of all of the people of the community of Scotland, the inalienable human rights and fundamental freedoms that are the common inheritance of all members of humanity; recalls the particular importance to the Parliament, through its founding statute, its founding principles and in all aspects of its day-to-day work, of human rights in general and of the European Convention on Human Rights in particular; acknowledges the constitutional responsibility of the Parliament to uphold the principles and values expressed in the convention and to respect, protect and realise the rights and freedoms that it enumerates; further acknowledges the importance of that work not only in relation to Scotland, but also in establishing and maintaining standards of best practice, which provide a benchmark for human rights elsewhere in the world; expresses its confidence in, and support for, the Human Rights Act 1998 as a successful and effective implementation of the convention in domestic law, and believes that the principles and values that inform the convention, the rights and freedoms that it enumerates and the Acts that incorporate it into law, should be a source of unity and consensus across the whole of society and should enjoy the unequivocal backing of all who are committed to upholding human rights, democracy and the rule of law.

  24. Ministerial Statement: Child Protection

    We apologise for the interruption in video coverage of the Scottish Parliament, but thankfully we have resolved the issue.

    Education Secretary Michael Russell is answering questions on child protection.

    The statement comes after a children's charity said lessons must be learned in Scotland from the Rotherham child abuse scandal, according to a children's charity.

    A report published last month found at least 1,400 children were abused in the South Yorkshire town from 1997 to 2013.

    Barnardo's Scotland said child sexual exploitation was a "severe problem". It has urged government and child protection agencies not to be complacent.

    The charity said Rotherham should be "a wake-up call for Scotland".

    The full video of the ministerial statement will be available to watch on demand or live at BBC Scotland's Democracy Live website.

  25. Apologies for the loss of video

    We apologise for the loss of video at this time we are working to resolve the technical problem.

  26. Poppyscotland

    Welcome back first up today we will have time for reflection delivered by Ian McGregor from Poppyscotland.

    Poppy

    That will be followed by topical questions where MSPs will ask questions on the Jim Clark Rally and wild animals in circuses.

  27. Petition consideration deferred and coming up

    The Public Petitions Committee is now in private session, having agreed to defer PE1524 by James Macfarlane on free Wi-Fi in Scottish public buildings and PE1525 by Catherine Fraser on access to justice.

    You will be able to watch the committee on demand at BBC Scotland's Democracy Live shortly.

    We will be back for a special time for reflection from Mr Ian McGregor from Poppyscotland.

    Topical questions will be followed by a ministerial statement on child protection.

    Scottish Parliament

    This will be followed by a government debate on human rights, following Tory plans at Westminster to stop British laws being overruled by human rights judgements from Strasbourg.

    The very topical member's debate marks the Armed Services Advice Project in a Year of Remembrance and will be led by SNP MSP Christina McKelvie.

  28. 'No to Page 3'

    PE1521 by George Eckton and Jane O'Donnell on no more Page 3 in the Scottish Sun and Scottish Parliament is continued.

    Petitioner Jane O'Donnell
    Image caption: Petitioner Jane O'Donnell

    Labour MSP Anne McTaggart says she is "absolutely disgusted" newspapers like the Sun are in the Scottish Parliament.

    David Stewart says they will write to EHRC and to Rupert Murdoch asking their views on the petition.

  29. Mesh plant implants petition continued

    Committee convener David Stewart says the committee will write to the health secretary about the concerns around the mesh implant petition and defer it to 2015 await the opinion from the European Commission.

    Mr Stewart thanks Mr Findlay and the campaigners in the gallery.

  30. 'Very concerning'

    Two weeks ago Labour MSP Neil Findlay raised the issue during general questions, saying "one health board alone, NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde, has implanted a further 29 women with these tainted products" since the health secretary's request for a suspension of the use of mesh implants".

    Neil Findlay MSP
    Image caption: Labour MSP Neil Findlay

    Today Mr Findlay says it is believed people are being hoodwinked into participating in trials with mesh implants despite the suspension request which is a "very concerning situation".

  31. Mesh implants

    PE1517 by Elaine Holmes and Olive McIlroy, on behalf of the Scottish Mesh Survivors - "Hear Our Voice" campaign, on polypropylene mesh medical devices is now considered.

    Committee convener David Stewart says this has been a first class petition and he welcomes some of those who gave evidence earlier this year.

    In June Health Secretary Alex Neil appointed a retired director of public health to review the effectiveness of mesh implant surgery in Scotland.

    Dr Lesley Wilkie examined how many women have suffered complications as a result of receiving implants to treat incontinence.

    All health boards were asked to suspend the use of implants while the review is underway, but it has emerged not all have complied.

    Mr Neil announced the review during an appearance before the committee on 17 June.

  32. Glasgow Prestwick Airport

    PE1506 by Alison C Tait, on behalf of the Robert Burns World Federation Ltd, on renaming Glasgow Prestwick Airport to "Robert Burns International" is closed by the committee.

    Glasgow Prestwick Airport
    Image caption: Glasgow Prestwick Airport
  33. Petitions continued

    PE1431 by Nick Riddiford, on behalf of the Fair Isle Community, on a marine protected area for Fair Isle and PE1493 by Peter John Gordon on a Sunshine Act for Scotland are both continued

  34. School bus safety

    MSPs continue PE1098 by Lynn Merrifield, on behalf of Kingseat Community Council and from Ron Beaty on school bus safety PE1223

    The committee agrees to contact Transport Scotland about a pilot scheme of better signage on school buses and a meaningful consultation with the petitioner.

    SNP MSP Stewart Stevenson led his member's debate entitled "The Importance of School Bus Safety Around Scotland" recently.

    Every MSP in the debate paid tribute to campaigner Ron Beaty, who has campaigned tirelessly on the issue, since his granddaughter Erin was left wheelchair bound after she was knocked down after getting off a school bus.

  35. Armed police petition

    The committee then consider PE1532 by Garry Stagg on stopping public bearing of arms by police, which the petitioner says he no longer wishes to proceed with so it is officially closed.

  36. Planning Democracy petition conclusion

    Planning

    David Stewart says the committee will continue the petition.

  37. Planning Scotland Bill

    MSPs approved the Planning (Scotland) Bill which was passed by 104 votes to 13, with one abstention in 2006.

    Calls for a third party right of appeal in the bill were defeated.

    The act aims to make the planning system more efficient and inclusive.

  38. Planning Democracy

    SNP MSP Chic Brodie says businesses disavow the view that appeals that prolong the planning process do not have an economic impact.

    Mr Brodie asks what businesses the witnesses have spoken to about the issue of planning.

    Helen McDade replies Planning Democracy does not have the resources to carry out detailed research but she would welcome the Scottish government doing so.

    The organisation are a group of volunteers who include representatives of three community councils with years of experience in planning issues.

    Its website says all its members share a belief that a robust, democratic planning system is crucial for shaping fairer and more sustainable places.

  39. Third party right of appeal

    Ms Symonds says when debating a planning system the agenda is set by developers rather than the quality of the outcome of decision making.

    She says in Ireland the right of appeal has worked well, it is called the third party right of appeal and there is no evidence of a detriment to the economy as a result the system.

  40. Planning inequality

    Ms Symonds, the petitioner says: "We are calling for equality in planning."

    Claire Symonds

    "We question in what other aspect of life is there such inequality.

    "The current system is prejudiced against the people of Scotland."

  41. Planning democracy petition

    The final evidence session is from Clare Symonds on the petition PE1534 on behalf of Planning Democracy, on equal rights of appeal in the planning system.

    Ms Symonds will be joined by Helen McDade.

  42. Care petition conclusion

    Committee convener David Stewart says the committee will liaise with the Scottish government to get the most appropriate minister to give evidence on the petition on care charges.

    He also says the committee will write to the high cost local authorities in relation to care charges, Murray, Argyll and Bute and Falkirk as well as the EHRC.

  43. Jackie Baillie

    Labour MSP Jackie Baillie says that the parliament spends a lot of time talking bout prevention and sustaining people in their own homes, but "we're doing the exact opposite".

    Ms Baillie says there has been a bureaucratic responses with no change to people on the ground.

    Jackie Baillie MSP

    She highlights the forthcoming health and social care integration presents an opportunity to address the issue of non-residential care charges.

    In conclusion, she says she hopes the petition will be forwarded to the Scottish government with a degree of urgency and look into any breaches of human rights and the impact of care charging on those living in poverty.

  44. Disabled disproportionately

    Jeff Adamson says he has been asking for clarification on his occupational pension being income or not from Cosla, but all they say is they are looking in to it.

    Dr Pauline Nolan says disabled people are being hit disproportionately by cuts to welfare and elsewhere and says the campaigners are looking for a test case to take to court if necessary.

    Dr Pauline Nolan

    Ian Hood says they would prefer to see this sorted before having to go to court adding the longer it takes to act the more it will take to sort this.

  45. The committee returns

    MSPs carry on quizzing Jeff Adamson, Ian Hood from Learning Disability Alliance Scotland and Dr Pauline Nolan from Inclusion Scotland on PE1533, following Holyrood's armistice commemoration service.

    The petition is by Mr Adamson on behalf of Scotland Against the Care Tax on the abolition of non-residential social care charges for older and disabled people.

    Mr Adamson says that "non-residential social care is an equality and human rights issue" and, therefore, should be "free at the point of delivery".

    The petitioner adds that the current system is unfair, because charging procedures for these care services differ considerably between local authorities

  46. Armistice commemoration service

    Tower of London poppies
    Image caption: Poppies planted in the moat at the Tower of London

    Presiding Officer Tricia Marwick announces over the tannoy that committees must suspend until 11.10pm when the World War One armistice commemoration service is concluded.

    A two-minute silence will be observed to mark the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month when the hostilities of 1914-18 formally ended.

    This year marks the 100th anniversary of the outbreak of WW1.

  47. Learning Disability Alliance Scotland

    Ian Hood from Learning Disability Alliance Scotland also highlights the varying picture across Scotland in non-residential care charging.

    Mr Hood says there is a "really mixed pattern of care charges".

    Ian Hood

    He says in 2002 the Scottish government gave clear instructions to sort out the inconsistency in care charges, but in the 12 years since then COSLA has not been able to move any closer to consistency.

    The question has to be why are neighbouring local authorities so different in their approach to the charges.

  48. Scotland Against the Care Tax

    Scotland Against the Care Tax (SACT) launched the petition calling on the Scottish government to abolish charging for social care, which they call the 'Care Tax,' as its frustration with what it says is the failure of COSLA to regulate care charges has led to voluntary sector representatives walking out of the partnership.

    The petition calls on the Scottish government to use powers it already has to abolish care charges throughout Scotland.

    It has been signed by 29 organisations representing disabled people, people with long-term conditions, older people and carers.

    Jeff Adamson, who is the lead signatory on the petition, worked all his life before being struck by a sudden illness at age 41.

    Jeff pays 79% of the income from his occupational pension on the care he receives from the local authority.

    Jeff said: "I pay the Care Tax in Midlothian. I have a private pension from a previous job and the Care Tax seems to swallow it up. This year (2014) my payment has just gone up to £661 a month! Another £760 a year!"

  49. Dignity

    Mr Adamson, who had an undetected tumour pressing on his spine, had to retire although he was comforted by his pension scheme, but reality proved quite different.

    He says he requires 24 hour care and gets £137 a week and any income above this is taxed at 70% by his council taking no account of his disability.

    Jeff Adamson

    Mr Adamson calls for the abolition of non-residential social care charges for older and disabled people.

    The petitioner highlights the current system robs people of dignity, is unfair and is a postcode lottery.

    It has taken its toll on his wife who has suffered depression as a result.

  50. Care petition

    MSPs are quizzing Jeff Adamson, Ian Hood from Learning Disability Alliance Scotland and Dr Pauline Nolan from Inclusion Scotland on PE1533.

    The petition is by Mr Adamson on behalf of Scotland Against the Care Tax on the abolition of non-residential social care charges for older and disabled people.

    Mr Adamson says that "non-residential social care is an equality and human rights issue" and, therefore, should be "free at the point of delivery".

  51. Committee suspends

    The petitioner says the Scottish Secular Society is made up of many faiths or none, "the most important people we speak to are the parents who contact us directly on this matter" with complaint and distressed e-mails.

    Mr Fildes says: "Creationism is incompatible with science."

    Professor Paul Braterman, also from the Scottish Secular Society, says: "There is no dispute in the scientific community as to the fact that you and a monkey are second cousins and you and a mushroom are fourth cousins, that's how it is."

    Professor Braterman

    The committee agreed to write to the Scottish government and a number of educational organisations.

  52. Centre for Intelligent Design (CID)

    The theory of Intelligent Design argues that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by intelligent causation, according to the CID website.

    The primary aim of the Centre for Intelligent Design (CID), it says, is to promote the public understanding of Intelligent Design (ID) and its implications.

  53. Evolution

    Evolution

    Mr Fildes says some teachers may feel unprepared to teach evolution and details incidents where he believes creationism is being promoted in Scotland.

    Conservative MSP Jackson Carlaw asks what is the worst thing that could happen by allowing creationism to be promoted.

    "The worst that can happen is a distortion of learning" says Mr Fildes.

  54. Spencer Fildes

    Mr Fildes says the plain declaration of intent of the Centre for Intelligence Design is no longer credible.

    He insists there are some organisations attempting to penetrate our schools to spread creationism.

    Spencer Fildes

    Some teachers may well themselves be creationists, says the petitioner and some may feel unprepared to teach evolution.

  55. Scottish Secular Society

    Spencer Fildes, on behalf of the Scottish Secular Society says evolution and the unity of life are central to education and science.

    Mr Fildes dismissed objections from the Centre for Intelligent Design "lack all intellectual merit" dismiss this

    "How do we best protect our children from this campaign of misinformation." He asks.

  56. Scottish government

    Earlier this year, in answer to question by Green MSP Patrick Harvie, for specific guidance on creationism, Education Michael Russell said:"The curriculum in Scotland is not based on statutory prescription. It is for schools, in light of the curriculum framework within which they operate, to determine how best to organise the syllabus."

    "However, there are no plans to include intelligent design within Curriculum for Excellence guidance and there is no evidence to suggest that intelligent design is being taught in science classes."

  57. Creationist beliefs in Scottish Schools

    In 2013 senior teachers at a South Lanarkshire school were removed following a parent outcry over the involvement of a US-based religious group.

    Some parents at Kirktonholme Primary in East Kilbride labelled the Church of Christ extremist.

    South Lanarkshire Council has now redeployed the two officials who shared the head teacher post.

    The authority also said it had launched "a full investigation into management practices at the school".

    Controversy over the Church of Christ's involvement with Kirktonholme Primary was highlighted in national newspaper articles.

  58. Petition

    The petition by Spencer Fildes, on behalf of the Scottish Secular Society, calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to issue official guidance to bar the presentation in Scottish publicly funded schools of separate creation and of Young Earth doctrines as viable alternatives to the established science of evolution, common descent, and deep time.

    Teacher

    Spencer Fildes is asking for specific government guidance that creationism should not be taught as science.

    In his petition he says he is not asking that discussion of different world beliefs is curtailed.

  59. The committee begins

    MSPs begin by taking evidence on PE1530 by Spencer Fildes, on behalf of the Scottish Secular Society, calling for guidance on how creationism is presented in schools.

    The committee are quizzing Spencer Fildes and Professor Paul Braterman from the Scottish Secular Society.

  60. Public Petitions Committee:

    MSPs will take evidence on PE1530 by Spencer Fildes, on behalf of the Scottish Secular Society, calling for guidance on how creationism is presented in schools.

    The committee will quiz Spencer Fildes and Professor Paul Braterman from the Scottish Secular Society.

    MSPs will then consider PE1533 by Jeff Adamson on behalf of Scotland Against the Care Tax on the abolition of non-residential social care charges for older and disabled people.

    The petitioner Jeff Adamson will be joined by Ian Hood from Learning Disability Alliance Scotland and Dr Pauline Nolan from Inclusion Scotland, in giving evidence.

    The final evidence session will be from Clare Symonds on the petition PE1534 on behalf of Planning Democracy, on equal rights of appeal in the planning system.

    Ms Symonds will be joined by Helen McDade.

    The committee will then consider PE1532 by Garry Stagg on stopping public bearing of arms by police, there will be no witnesses during this part of the session.

  61. Armistice day

    Commemorations are due to be held across Scotland to mark the World War One armistice and Holyrood will, of course, mark it too.

    A two-minute silence will be observed to mark the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month when the hostilities of 1914-18 formally ended.

    Poppies

    This year marks the 100th anniversary of the outbreak of WW1.

    All the committees, including the Public Petitions Committee, will suspend for at least two minute at 11am.

    MSPs are expected to gather in the Scottish Parliament's garden lobby, where Presiding Officer Tricia Marwick will give a reading after the silence.

    At 2pm Mr Ian McGregor from Poppyscotland will lead the time for reflection.

  62. Chamber business

    In the afternoon topical questions will be followed by a ministerial statement on child protection.

    This will be followed by a government debate on human rights, following Tory plans at Westminster to stop British laws being overruled by human rights judgements from Strasbourg.

    Scottish Parliament

    The very topical member's debate marks the Armed Services Advice Project in a Year of Remembrance and will be led by SNP MSP Christina McKelvie.

  63. Good morning and welcome

    Good morning and welcome to BBC Scotland's Democracy Live coverage of the Scottish Parliament.

    Scottish Parliament building
    Image caption: Scottish Parliament

    We start the week with the Public Petitions Committee which will begin taking evidence on a petition on behalf of the Scottish Secular Society, on guidance on how creationism is presented in schools.

    That is followed by an evidence session on a petition calling for non-residential care for the under 65's to be free and another calling for fairer appeals in the planning system.

    The final new petition calls for stopping public bearing of arms by police, but the petitioner will not be giving evidence on this one.

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