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Live Reporting

Craig Hutchison and Louise Wilson

All times stated are UK

  1. That's all from Holyrood Live

    Ms Fitzpatrick being restrained and the first minister in the chamber

    That's all from Holyrood Live on Thursday 24 May 2018.

    First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has told MSPs she is "absolutely horrified" by a photo of a woman allegedly taped to a chair and gagged by male colleagues.

    Ms Sturgeon said she had asked a top civil servant to conduct a full review into the circumstances and report to her personally as soon as possible.

    The BBC obtained the photo of DeeAnn Fitzpatrick being restrained.

    She claims it took place amid years of bullying and harassment at Marine Scotland's Scrabster office.

    Ms Sturgeon said: "Bullying, abuse, sexism, racism, have no place in any work place and they will not be tolerated in the Scottish government or its agencies."

  2. Deputy convener calls for more time for scrutiny of the National Outcomes

    Ms Lennon

    Local Government and Communities Committee deputy convener Monica Lennon says she was encouraged by the range of responses her committee received on the National Outcomes in such a short time.

    Ms Lennon points out the National Outcomes have been broadly welcomed, but raises some concerns about:

    • the wording of the overall purpose
    • how successfully the National Outcomes align with UN Sustainable Development Goals
    • how some of the draft indicators can be measured

    She accepts it can be difficult to measure things like love.

    The Labour MSP agrees annual scrutiny will be very important and calls for more time for scrutiny.

  3. National Outcomes will put Scotland in a stronger place

    Finance Secretary Derek Mackay
    Image caption: Finance Secretary Derek Mackay

    Finance Secretary Derek Mackay tells the chamber to be careful about describing some of the outcomes as "waffle", as some of the wording came directly from society during consultation.

    The Scotland Performs website is live, transparent and the measurements through the indicators have been determined by statisticians, Mr Mackay states.

    The indicators are credible, helpful and at times they will be critical when progress is not made, he adds.

    The cabinet secretary says the national outcomes put us in a stronger place as a country and a parliament.

  4. Background: What are the Scottish government's proposed national outcomes?

    The Scottish government is proposing to have 11 national outcomes overall. These Local Government and Communities Committee considered the three which fell under its remit:

    • We live in communities that are inclusive, empowered, resilient and safe
    • We tackle poverty by sharing opportunities, wealth and power more equally
    • We grow up loved, safe and respected, so that we realise our full potential
    Draft national outcomes

    The remaining eight are:

    • We have a globally competitive, entrepreneurial, inclusive and sustainable economy
    • We are open, connected and make a positive contribution internationally
    • We are well educated, skilled and able to contribute to society
    • We have thriving and innovative businesses, with quality jobs and fair work for everyone
    • We are healthy and active
    • We value, enjoy, protect and enhance our environment
    • We are creative and our vibrant and diverse cultures are enjoyed widely
    • We respect, protect and fulfil human rights and live free from discrimination
  5. Tory MSP says National Outcomes are 'waffle' and 'bureaucratic babble'

    Tory MSP Graham Simpson
    Image caption: Tory MSP Graham Simpson

    Tory MSP Graham Simpson begins by saying he's pretty sure James Kelly called him an anorak there.

    A resounding "yup" is heard across the chamber, eliciting some chuckles.

    The Tory MSP tells the chamber he genuinely likes Mr Mackay but adds he couldn't get his head around the waffle that is the National Outcomes.

    He runs through all eleven.

    Don't fret Holyrood Live will bring you all the outcomes imminently.

    The Tory MSP insists the wording of the National Outcomes is "bureaucratic babble".

  6. Labour MSP calls for 'honest debate' during budget process

    Labour MSP James Kelly
    Image caption: Labour MSP James Kelly

    Labour MSP James Kelly says the government is struggling in some areas, pointing to pockets of poverty on Rutherglen.

    We need to look at both inputs (i.e. the budget process) and outputs together, he says.

    For this to happen we need more honest debates in parliament, the Labour MSP suggests.

    Accepting that the government wants to focus on the positives, Mr Kelly argues that in order to achieve more both it and opposition parties must be more honest.

    Finance Secretary Derek Mackay highlights that alongside every budget is the Scotland Performs scorecard which does pick up on areas which need improvement.

    Mr Kelly says there needs to be a honest debate around priorities during the budget.

    Let's take off our anoraks and get down to the issues, he concludes.

  7. 'What's not good is this is not part of the national discourse'

    Scottish Lib Dem leader Willie Rennie
    Image caption: Scottish Lib Dem leader Willie Rennie

    Scottish Lib Dem leader Willie Rennie says it is good we review what's in and what's out of the Natonal Performance Framework.

    Mr Rennie says: "What's not good is this is not part of the national discourse."

    If he went down the Bonnygate in Cupar talking about the National Performance Framework they would not the have the faintest idea what he was talking about.

    That happens quite often, he jokes, but would certainly be the case in this instance!

    Mr Rennie points out eight of the outcomes show no improvement or decline and he cites poor performance in the indicators as well.

    He says: "In a variety of different areas we are not performing."

    The Lib Dem MSP calls for an annual debate to address this.

  8. 'I would rather have a cooperative economy than a competitive economy'

    Green MSP Andy Wightman
    Image caption: Green MSP Andy Wightman

    Green MSP Andy Wightman says he was the "sole dissenting voice" on economic priorities in the committee's report.

    He explains this was due to a lack of definition for inclusive growth and the fact it is based on "flawed" GDP measures.

    "I would rather have a cooperative economy than a competitive economy."

    Mr Wightman expresses hope that the next national outcomes will reflect the "very real limitations" on economies based on the current metrics.

    Turning to the status of the sustainable development goals, the Green MSP says their goals, targets and indicators all incorporated selectively in the NPF.

    He asks the government to consider how the NPF could be connected more closely to the sustainable development goals.

  9. 'There must be a really strong link to the budgetary process'

    Labour MSP James Kelly
    Image caption: Labour MSP James Kelly

    Labour MSP James Kelly says he feels the cabinet secretary is a wee bit grumpy this afernoon, which is not like him.

    Mr Kelly adds the National Outcomes go back to 2007 when Scotland Performs was introduced.

    He explains this was due to no measures of whether funding was leading to intended outcomes.

    The Labour MSP says it is crucial that there must be a really strong link to the budgetary process.

    He points out we are struggling to meet health targets and thus struggling to meet health outcomes.

    Mr Kelly says we need an honest debate about the issues happening on the ground in areas like health, education and homelessness.

  10. 'Ambiguous' outcomes may impact scrutiny says Tory MSP

    MSP Alexander Stewart
    Image caption: MSP Alexander Stewart

    Tory MSP Alexander Stewart says the new outcomes are "ambiguous" which may impact effective scrutiny of performance.

    These outcomes are shift away from hard targets he insists.

    "The government doesn't want to be held to account as much," suggests Mr Stewart.

    He offers support to the recommendation that the length of scrutiny be extended next time.

    Despite certain reservations about the outcomes, we welcome a commitment to ensuring the National Performance Framework is embedded in public bodies the Tory MSP adds.

  11. Background: What is being removed?

    Table comparing existing to revised national outcomes

    There are currently 16 national outcomes, but this has been whittled down to 11 in the new Scottish government proposals.

    The majority of them are being kept, with some being rolled into one outcome.

    For example, "Our children have the best start in life and are ready to succeed" and "We have improved the life chances for our children, young people and families at risk" is becoming "We grow up loved, safe and respected so that we can realise our full potential."

    However, the following it being removed entirely: "Our public services are high quality, continually improving, efficient and responsive to local people’s needs."

    As such, the Local Government and Communities Committee raised this in its report, concluding: "The Committee seeks reassurance from the Scottish Government that high quality public services will continue to be a national priority."

  12. 'The new indicators represent the progress Scotland wants to make as a society'

    Mr Mackay

    Mr Mackay insists the indicators are aligned and fundamental.

    The finance secretary argues the new indicators represent the progress Scotland wants to make as a society, like on child wellbeing and happiness.

    The minister is content with the purpose of the outcomes which define the mission around wellbeing and inclusive growth as world leading.

    He tells the chamber the government wants to deliver sustainable economic growth but in a fairer, more progressive and inclusive way.

  13. Background: What are national outcomes?

    Adult and child holding hands

    The national outcomes are the Scottish government’s broad policy aims.

    They are part of the National Performance Framework which sets out the Scottish government’s overarching single purpose.

    The current national outcomes include a set of national indicators too. These are high-level measures that show how the Scottish government is performing against the outcomes.

    National outcomes must be reviewed at least every five years. The current outcomes were set in 2007, with one further outcome added in 2011.

    The proposed changes now follow the Scottish government consulting on the outcomes with the public and expert stakeholders.

  14. 'The outcomes are beyond objection'

    Finance Secretary Derek Mackay
    Image caption: Finance Secretary Derek Mackay

    Finance Secretary Derek Mackay insists the government has engaged with the public to establish what kind of country they want Scotland to be.

    Mr Mackay praises Oxfam UK and the Carnegie Trust for running the consultations across Scotland.

    They found desire for economic growth, but also wellbeing and society, he says.

    The minister points out Cosla back the National Outcomes.

    He says the National Performance Framework (NPF) sets out the vision and purpose as to how the outcomes will be achieved and measured.

    "The outcomes are beyond objection."

  15. How was the business community consulted?

    Economy, Jobs and Fair Work Committee convener Gordon Lindhurst
    Image caption: Economy, Jobs and Fair Work Committee convener Gordon Lindhurst

    Economy, Jobs and Fair Work Committee convener Gordon Lindhurst says it is unclear how the views of the business community - particularly SMEs - were sought during the consultation.

    He also raises concern about how to measure inclusive growth, and even what its definition should focus on.

    Turning to UN Sustainable Development Goals, Mr Lindhurst wonders if the Scottish government intends to report in a disaggregated way from the UK government.

    The NPF is seen as a leader in policy making, but it remains a means for improvement and not the improvement itself, he adds.

  16. Call for an indicator that assess air pollution and its health impact

    Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform Committee convener Graeme Dey
    Image caption: Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform Committee convener Graeme Dey

    Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform Committee convener Graeme Dey begins by saying having just 40 sitting days for scrutiny was "quite inadequate".

    Mr Dey says only seven responses were received from 12 stakeholders sought out.

    Read the committee's inquiry into National Outcomes here.

    Mr Dey says the climate change indicators will be scrutinised during the forthcoming Climate Change Bill stages.

    The SNP MSP asks why the indicator for growth in the green economy was not included.

    He calls for an indicator that asses air pollution and its health impact.

    Finance Secretary Derek Mackay intervenes to say sustainable development goals are aligned to every aspect of the NPF.