It's only days before lockdown and Jane Couch has us trapped in her car outside a boxing gym in Bristol.
She offers us some crisps and chocolate. It's not quite the diet of champions but then she won her biggest fight nearly 25 years ago so maybe relaxing now is OK. Whatever happens from here, history will record that she was Britain's first female world boxing champion.
One of us - Sanjeev - has known Couch for almost 20 years and the most unusual thing about her is how little she has changed.
Now 51, physically she still has the trademark dark curly hair, her face retains youthfulness, despite all the punches in and out of the ring. And she still has the most generous, welcoming laugh.
Sanjeev first met Couch at an Audley Harrison fight in Newcastle where they talked for an age about anything and nothing. She was still a fighter then with 18 bouts to her name. It's now 2020 and she's been retired for nearly 13 years. Inevitably, the conversation is a little darker and introspective, but no less honest.
Her current life is far removed from the one that brought fame, but not a fortune. We meet the man with whom she shares a business and her life. She mentions serious medical issues past and present. Just as it used to, her language veers from the salty to sensitive. If the words are not repeatable, you remember what people used to call her and realise she has had worse to worry about.
This is the story of a woman who let the punches sting, but made sure the names never hurt her.
Born in 1968, Couch grew up in Fleetwood as one of four siblings. As a teenager she would often brawl in the streets. It led to her expulsion from school.
She has described the years that immediately followed as "a life of booze, drugs and street fighting". But there was something else going on too.
"I used to tell my mum all the time," she says. "'I'm going to do something big. I just don't know what it is.'"
Couch moved to London at the age of 16, following her punk rock brother. After pulling pints in pubs during the week, she would return to Fleetwood to meet up with friends and the street brawls continued.
She doesn't know how many times she was arrested, for jumping through a jewellery shop window, for scrapping on the street or driving without a license. After spending three months in prison, something had to give.
It all started with a Channel 4 documentary about two female boxers, the American Christy Martin and Ireland's Deidre Gogarty. It sparked a change. It's how Couch's journey in the sport began.
"Women are allowed to box! I couldn't believe it," she says. "The next day I went to the gym, but was told that women couldn't box in this country.
"I thought, I've got to pursue this, I have to. I have to be allowed to box like the girls in the documentary."
That was in 1994. Couch was 26, and boxing was illegal for women in the UK. The sport was unlicensed in the country. But still, fights were taking place.
First though, if Couch wanted to fulfil her ambition of being a female boxer, she needed a gym and a trainer. In Fleetwood she found both.
Frank Smallbone took her on in a local gym where she was for a while able to train in secret. When word got out, things got ugly.
"You'd read articles in the papers saying, 'she must be a lesbian, she must be this, she must be that, she's a freak'," Couch says. "You become labelled with this horrible label, just because you want to take part in a 'man's sport'."
Couch's first bout was in Wigan against a policewoman called Kalpna Shah. "I knocked a copper out and got paid for it," Couch says. "I think I got £58."
Before she knew it, 'the Fleetwood Assassin' had four fights and four wins to her name. She had very little money, but a growing reputation set up a world title fight against Frenchwoman Sandra Geiger in Copenhagen, in 1996.
Geiger was a big name. She had 29 wins, 29 knockouts. She was the favourite. Couch was not fazed.
"I was convinced I would beat her," she recalls. "I was like something possessed. I knew by beating her and bringing the world title home it would change."
Couch did win the belt, and it altered perceptions of her in the UK. But an incident before the Geiger fight provided a stark reminder of just how far away real change was.
After starving herself for the weigh in, all Couch wanted to do was eat. She went to reception armed with vouchers for her long-awaited meal.
"Sorry, the vouchers are only for the fighters," came the response.
Couch replied: "I am boxing for the world title."
Silence. Then: "These meal vouchers are only for the male fighters."
Most fighters will tell you they can deal with the physical pain of boxing, the jabs, the hooks and the uppercuts. That the most sickening blows take place outside the ring. That the real frustrations are with landing fights, or dealing with agents and promoters. Or in Couch's case, winning her licence to fight in the first place.
She was determined to make change happen. It took her three years to get her day in court. She needed the help of Diana Rose and the late Sarah Lesley, who were both working pro bono, and the backing of the equality opportunity commission.
"It was three women against the establishment, and it was the last male bastion that we knocked down," Couch says. They were trying to overturn the British Boxing Board of Control's decision to refuse her licence. Part of the reasoning behind that decision was that, being a woman, pre-menstrual syndrome made her 'too unstable to box'.
Couch had been fighting for around four years. Sometimes overseas, other times in unlicensed bouts in the UK. She was a world welterweight champion, but still portrayed as something of a pariah. The oldest boxing paper in the land, Boxing News, steadfastly refused to cover women's boxing at that time, because it wasn't licensed.
In March 1998, Couch was successful in her claim for sexual discrimination against the British Boxing Board of Control. She had won the right to box professionally in the UK. It was a landmark ruling.
"I thought, everything is going to change now, I'll be able to get on shows at home and get better paid," Couch says. "It was a great day. I don't think I'll ever forget it, we three women hugging each other and thinking we're going to change everything.
"But then as I was leaving the courtroom Diana said to me: 'You do realise this is just the beginning.' And I never knew what she meant, until now."
Acceptance did not come overnight. The pre-eminent British promoters of the time still didn't want anything to do with Couch and were vocal about it. One of the most prominent, Frank Warren, didn't promote a female boxer until the latter part of the 2000s. For months after winning her right to fight, Couch still found herself a polarising figure. They asked on talk shows: Was it really OK to allow a woman into the ring?
"I don't know why I carried on, because winning that case had no benefit to me whatsoever," Couch says. "I still had to box abroad, I was still berated by the press. I was still frozen out by promoters in this country. I walked into a room and people laughed. So no, the case wasn't worth it."
It certainly didn't make financial sense to carry on. Couch was five times crowned world champion but her best payday came from a 2003 bout she took on 12 days' notice, against the fearsome Lucia Rijker in Los Angeles. Couch, beaten by the Dutchwoman, was paid £7,000 but cleared just £1,500 after taxes and managers' fees. She admits she often fought for nothing, just to stay busy.
In common with most fighters, Couch stayed on for too long. Her final punch was thrown in December 2007 in a stoppage defeat by Anne Sophie Mathis. In all, she fought 39 times, with 28 wins.
Retirement came in December 2008, a year after she was awarded an MBE for services to boxing. But the respect she was finally earning could not prepare her for what came next. The really dark times - the not knowing how to live your life after giving up the thing you loved doing. And also confronting the issues within. Like the ADHD, for which she was eventually diagnosed in 2019 and now receives medication. She still loves boxing, but from a distance.
"I know for a fact that mental health is a massive problem in boxing," Couch says. "It's just terrible. There are kids out there, professional boxers today and they don't even know, because I never knew, and my friends never knew.
"There are too many chauvinists, especially in the boxing world. I think that the girls need to be watched and monitored. Asked if they are OK. Even if I had somebody to pick the phone up to, to ask a question and get an honest answer, that would have made a massive difference to me.
"I'm quite on the ground with ex-fighters. I visit a lot of them in prison, I go and see them on the streets, the drug addicts too. They are all damaged because of boxing, because when they finish, they are just left, there's no after support, there's nothing."
Boxing is a fight. Couch had to fight to box. Future generations might skip the chapter about what she has achieved, but they shouldn't. Thanks to her, British women can now walk into a boxing gym and feel accepted. They no longer need train in secret. At the London Games of 2012, women's boxing was an Olympic event for the first time.
"The whole of the 2012 Olympics, seeing British female boxers like Natasha Jonas, Savannah Marshall, it was just brilliant to see. I was very emotional as well," Couch says.
"Again, I still know that it's still hard for those girls. OK, it's not as hard as I had it, but everything's different now.
"There's still a hell of a long way to go - like in women's football, women's rugby and women's cricket. But women's boxing is on the rise."