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I also agree with Ocean that Gavaskar is India best batsman ever and Viv before Lara and Tendulkar. All great players in their own right but PM 24 it's the same Wisden that place Grace over Gavaskar.I'll give you a stat on Viv - in the one day game he averaged 47 with a strike rate over 90. The other players in his era that average over 40 strike rate was in the sixties. Just superior!
@455 davidzSurely cricket is a sport where as a batsmen you are less influenced by the quality of your team? Take international football for example. If you are a brilliant striker surrounded by average players it's going to be difficult to shine, especially against better teams because of a lack of service etc. As a top class batsman it's about the attack you are facing more than anything.
Sir Viv Richards for me above Lara and Tendulkar....Had Sir Viv been around in their era probably would be averaging in high 60s due to inferior test teams . These days so many more batsmen averaging in 50s.Personally I think Garvasker is India's best ever batsman.
Tendulkar was methodical - I've seen him bat at Lords 3 times over the years. Lara, genius - saw him at Lords a few times and Oval once. Lara scored 277 in his 5th match (run out), it took Tendulkar 12 years to get a double hundred.There's v little to separate Dravid from Tendulkar (in terms of average and % of hundreds) and Dravid batted at 3, the harder position.
Your use of stats is based on the assumption "playing in a worse team makes it easier to score runs" - which is utter nonsense. It's much easier to score runs in a good line up. Tendulkar averaged 51.7 before Ganguly/Dravid/Laxman arrived in 1996, and from then to 2003 (you picked the date) he averaged 60, because he was aided by the others. West Indies batting was awful for all of Lara's career
Till 2003Tendulkar avg.58 , Lara 492003-07 (Windies at their worst)Lara 60Check previous comments about Tendulkars domination over the "next best" for players who played right through the 1990s - minus minnows Ban/Zim.
Windies decline started around 1991. They were a shambles in the 1990s and 2000s, Lara's record is not much different in 90s to 2000s.India were a strong batting unit in 90s as shown by their average scores, it was always their bowling that let them down, and more in the sense of not being able to bowl teams out. Windies without Lara, Walsh and Ambrose would have been Zimbabwe level from 1994
If I had to choose one out of Richards,Lara,Tendulkar, I would take Sir Vivian. What a player he was. His disdain for bowlers was a joy to behold,and no helmet. Oh to see him swagger to the wicket again,bat swirling,gum chewing,oozing arrogance,cap tilted, Thanks for the memories Viv.
@Ocean- pointless..May be said lara had a few better innings or he was more "dangerous" on his day due to his unapologetically attacking style.like Sehwag and co.Beyond that impossible to look beyond Tendulkar. As the very same Ponting says - Tendulkar's the best batsman he has ever seen.You may argue who is more "dangerous" once in a while - but "Best" is reserved for Tendulkar.
PM24 - your comment re: Viv, no I think the opposite, he'd average 60+ today. I put him ahead of Lara and Tendulkar - played in an era where fast bowling really came on, the all-round quality of all opponents really increased, and players were still unprofessional. Viv lived it up,and smashed Thommo and Lille at near 100 miles an hour with a cap on. Botham says he's the best he's ever watched
Davidz,OK let me try again- in as simple English as I can.Indian team weak- Tendulkar' best yrs. Windies team weak –Lara's best years.Prob the best thing that happened to Lara was playing in a weak team as that resulted in most of his classics and he was forced to dig in- unlike Viv.As mentioned – You seem to be saying that if Viv played from 1992-3007 he would have averaged around 35
No Brian Lara?
@PM 24Ricky Ponting on lara or Tendulkar"You always found a way to restrict Sachin if you needed to. Lara could turn it on in half an hour and take a game away from you. For me, it has never been about making hundreds, it is about winning games and series,"
PM24, you're not seeing his runs in context... India's team average in the 90s is 36.46, West Indies is 29.9, India 20% higher. West Indies were a shambles of a batting unit and organisationally awful (vry little money, plenty of disputes), and the pitches in Caribbean were poor, for most of the 90s. Lara sustained his team more in poorer circumstances
@Ocean.Sure you'll get some folks pro Lara. Ian Chappel was also pro Sehwag. Point is the majority will go for Tendulkar, As this Wisden panel itself demonstrates.@Davidz.Check previous posts. With India weak in the 1990s Tendulkar has his best years. With Windies at the poorest from 2003-07 Lara has his best years. You seem to be saying that had Viv played from 1992-2007 he would have avg.35.
@PM 24Ricky Ponting on Lara or Tendulkar"Sachin and Lara were the two stand-out batsmen for me. Lara won more games for his team than Sachin probably has. I'd lose more sleep as captain knowing Lara was coming in to bat next day than I would with Sachin," said Ponting.
@Ken Star, davidz1990s for batsmen who played right through the 1990s before Dravid,VVS ,Sehwag came into their own(MINUS minnows Ban/Zim) JUST 3 avg 50+.Tendulkar avg. 59 to Steve's 52 and Lara's 51.i.e 15% better than the "next best" for over a decade. Needless to say - Only Bradman can boast of such dominance over the "next best" for over a decade. Lara and co. don't come close
@ PM 24 Ian Chappell On Lara , Tendulkar and Ponting"If you told me I could pick just one of that trio I'd take Lara. I loved the way he played spin bowling and I admired his determination to always do it "my way".
I posted this elsewhere, looking at the team averages of India and West Indies From apr 1992 to dec 2006 (when they overlapped, excl Lara's first 5 innings), WI Team ave - 29.8India team ave - 36.1India were a FAR stronger batting team than Windies, Tendulkar had most of his career behind Rahul Dravid and with Azha/Laxman/Ganguly/Sehwag. Lara was constantly exposed him vs the opposition.
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