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A couple of observations. BS put his name to a tabloid article a few years ago lauding sledging. A few weeks later he was bemoaning about remarks made to him on the pitch in a test match. Contradictory lily livered so and so. FEC is keeping a low profile on this tampering issue ain't he!. All my life's a circle etc.. a case of what's good for the goose eh ... or people in glass houses?
Stokes is a far better all rounder than Woakes.Stokes has been out for sometime due to off the field problems so his fitness will not be what it should be at this level.
Thank you JDH for your reply.Yes, Stokes has more 1st class tons than Woakes (14 to 9) and more fifties (32 to 22). However, he bats in the top six, as opposed to Woakes who nearly always bats number 8 (apart from one season at six). Granted Stokes has more test centuries: (6) and half centuries (13 to 4) but, again, that is because he bats higher. Woakes has the better 1st class average:35 to 34.
379 Swann is a mag also unfortunately.
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The fantastic irony of Graeme Swann calling individuals odious and unpleasant, is truly astonishing
@362 the sound in the background is WG Grace (an infamous cheat btw) turning in his grave. Meanwhile poor Ritchie has been spinning at 10,000rpm in his since Camgate.
@370. HammertimeistheGOAT - Is it greed or is it that it is a short career? They cannot play forever so what are they going to do after they hang up their boots? Not all can go into media. I think I would be the same, if I had the talent I would be looking for the big pay day to safeguard my family's future.
@364. boating-voter - In my experience when there is something at stake then that is when players/teams try to get an advantage, be it by doing something with the ball or sledging. I used to play in a minor county league and it was played in an intimidating atmosphere, plenty of sledging. Sunday friendlies were completely different, I am sure that is amplified when you add money into it.
@ 374. Bobby Smith - I will just point you towards the centuries column for each player. Stokes is a batting all rounder and Woakes is a bowling all rounder, difficult to compare. But personally I believe Stokes has more tools at his disposal than Woakes. Woakes is good on home soil but innocuous on foreign soil. Once Stokes was out you felt there was only one result.
Can't believe some people are suggesting Stokes is better than Woakes - just look at their career averages. Woakes is way ahead as a bowler in first class and their respective test records are very similar when it comes to bowling. Plus, Woakes has not played many tests at home of late, due to injury, and so has missed out on chances to inflate his average.
369Depends how you interpret affect the result. Made series closer?, couple of wins?, no, doubt it, but you cannot discount England may have batted longer, chance of a draw maybe. Not until you look at individual dismissals and see how many were out with the old ball by reversing it. Do you not think it a bit odd that one of the worlds best reversers Anderson, couldn't do a thing with his.
@370hammeris theGOATSpot on mate. Played cricket at school, and graduated to a couple of local villages. Nothing but joy and friendship...and beer!As a medium/quickish bowler, the only words I had for the batsman were "good shot mate" when he hit me over the rope.Hate the way it is now. ICC and umpires have to come down on it hard...hope there's a sea change as a result.
Two questions strike me from this week's Tests:1. How out of form and for how long does an England player need before they are dropped?2. Is Steve Smith, & other members of "the Leadership Group", so naive & stupid to think they can play in the last Test v SA without having a negative effect on the rest of the Aussie team (If any are innocent) & on the match ?
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