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KAAG, Wales is not an independent country but we do enjoy footballing independence if that's what you mean. There is a very real threat as I've explained on numerous occasions throughout this thread. Simply stating otherwise isn't an argument and no; the FAW, the official fans association and I aren't just being argumentative; we recognise that there is a very real threat facing us!
I'd hoped to make this comment on the Ramsey thread but it's now closed. My understanding is that most Arsenal supporters think Aaron Ramsey has had a poor season coming back from injury. Never mind David Beckman, is Ramsey really a political choice, not one on merit? He's there And he's being willing to do the bidding of an Olympic paymaster, Adidas?
ioanteifi,Wales is an independent nation.HOWEVERThere is no threat at all to its long-term football independence because of this tournament.So you are half right, half wrong. And I am most certainly not naive...I feel you are just being argumentative for no reason.
@39 At least you recognise that Wales is a nation then; unlike others on this site. The case in football cannot be compared to other sports. There would never be a threat to our independence in rugby because there are only 8-10 good international sides at present. There aren't national teams in golf to merge; once again it cannot be compared. Denying the threat is being naive; it is real!
Personally, I really enjoy it when nations come together in these one off events. I love the Ryder Cup for that, and the British/Irish Lions. Shame there are no Scot/N.I. players though. English people are just as against a permanent GB team as the other nations. If I thought for a moment that this GB team was a threat to England I would not want it, but it isn't.
Craig Bellamy and co, these are the type of people who'll be cheering your team GB on this summer. The ones who deny that Wales is a nation and others who'd prefer forming a permanent team GB and the dissolution of the Welsh national team in order to have a better chance of winning something.
I'm afraid you still haven't learned that simply saying things doesn't make them true...
Sorry ioantefi but your understanding of what a nation is is wrong.
@leachy12 I'm insulted when people wrongly say that Wales isn't a nation; however irrelevant you thought the dispute was, it's important to me and many others. If there wasn't a threat why would the FAs oppose it? What's the hidden agenda you suppose they have? Blatter issued his concerns only four years ago and there are many influential people in football who dislike our independence in footy!
With regards to the state/nation/pointless technicalities on who once conquered who and formed alliances with so and so, it's irrelevant. As with all sports in the modern era, it's about current governing bodies in place; we are Team GB under the BOA. Why should football be an exception? Agreeing with @31 here, I'm Welsh and British. I'll support both however they're represented.
I still don't see how this will compromise the independance of the respective FAs? Every 4 years in rugby union, the 4 home nations form the British Lions and tour. It's a special occassion every time and every fan of each nation looks forward to it and gets behind it. The olympics happen every 4 years and is even more special than a Lions tour, so why not follow that easy example?
@31 But there are plenty of other valid reasons as explained throughout this forum...
Annie: I am English, British, and European. And a republican. I played in an international (amateur) tournament for an English team. They played anthems before the game - I did not sing along to God Save the Queen (nor does Gary Neville).This is no reason to deny Joe Allen and Aaron Ramsey the chance to play in a major international tournament.
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