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About Brazil 82 - I think a lot of blame needs to be on Tele Santana. Serginho was his 3rd choice but was not the 3rd best CF Brazil had. Waldir Peres was a shambles in goal, worthless. Oscar could not defend to save his life and this was not helped by the fact that Leandro and Junior were constantly pushing up. If Tele had any brains, Brazil would have won in 1982.
83.Abdi - I watched the game live, as Brazilian supporter, and my opinion is that if those teams played a hundred times, Italy would win once. Turns out that the once was the one that mattered... Having said that, Brazil played with the sort of overconfidence that can be defined as arrogance. They did truly believe, all along, they would win whenever they decided it was time to. Just typical.
81.cmg08 I've seen some clips from the Brazil '82, a crying shame that they didn't go further, but they came up against an Italy side who were simply destined to win it seems, but credit to that Italy team as well, they fully contributed to arguably 1 of the greatest matches ever (3-2) and who could forget Tardelli in the final
72.LFC - Best in Europe Almost had enough of the trolling from primarily YAWN - read YNWA - fans
We are converging, it seems. But watch Brazil 70, particularly the game against England, and you will see plenty defensive flaws (and luck). The goalkeeper Felix was actually far better than people give credit (including me).Attacking as defense was the usual tatics of some teams, but football is about scoring more than conceding.Where I said loophole (God only knows why) I meant lenses.
@79 cmg08Perhaps there has to be some compromise to win. Some organisation and discipline in defence which will inhibit complete flair. Brazil 1970 are probably the nearest to the free spirit that were able to win. Now I think it is more about organisation than ever. Spain in 2010 were very organised - lots of 1-0 wins. It was absorbing football but very controlled (and sometimes cynical).
Told you.People mention Brazil 50, Hungary 54, England 70, Holland 74, Brazil 82, Denmark 86, France 06, some argue for Brazil 98 (I don't, France won fair and square, and were the best then). You make a case for Italy 90 that may well be right.But it is all the more frustrating for the fans and, when examined with a loophole, usually reviews defensive flaws. It is my point.
@77 cmg08I think I would say that they did win WC in 2006 on merit and with fantastic players (although Zidane was my player of the tournament). Pirlo, Totti, Del Piero - all had real flair.Actually referring to your post 75 my favourite Italy match would be Ita vs Ger semi final 2006. A fantastic match. Italy created so many chances and finally the goals were sublime - and Pirlo's pass!
61.RoverOnTour http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/colunas/tostao/2013/06/1288325-tudo-ou-nada.shtml63.BaggiosPonytail - what I mean is not that win is ALL that matters, but it is what matters most. Spain had the merit of winning with flair WC10, merit I do not see in Italy WC06. Still, they won, it is what will be remembered (and there will be plenty of people arguing they did have merit).
@74 cmg08Of course it is great to win, even if it is not stylish.Perhaps I didn't explain myself well earlier. It is just that I think there is something which certain teams have had that is nearly a good as winning. Netherlands in '74 and Brazil in '82 to name but two. Actually in England many people believe the team in 1970 was better than the one that won the World Cup in 1966.
And by the way, Italy 2 vs Germany 1 EC12 - was one of the best matches I ever watched and certainly the best by Italy ever. If the Balotelli-Cassano weapon can be made to work consistently, Italy can produce WC14 winning Futebol-Arte. So-called great Germany was nowhere to be seen, have things changed that much in a year? The tricky is how to convince Balotelli-Cassano to deliver consistently...
I never said "at all cost", which would mean scoring with a hand (ARG) or ripping other people's shirt or swearing at them (ITA, Brazil, Zidane). I meant winning with "style" or not. If you can't win with style, win w/out it (as Italy do - so I am actually agreeing with them, but they were horrible, sorry).But, as I am free to disagree, so is everybody else.
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To those who champion a win at all costs mentality, I'll just quote Oscar Wilde:“Nowadays people know the price of everything and the value of nothing.”
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