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Noisy Neighbour | Lol The 'semantics' were what u pulled me up on in the first place! But now that I've exposed the flaws in ur point you dismiss it as being unimportant? The posturing of the holder of a defeated argument, my friend. Ur claim that Liverpool's history is more deeply successful? Again, total rubbish. Why don't u just admit u're wrong. But then to expect humility from a L'pool fan...
Nacho.Are you ok? Three full lenght paragraphs to answer back to me. It's Sunday have a day off!Listen, I am not going to get into the semantics of it all.. but I will agree with your last point about appreciating all dynasties or great achievements. Likewise I appreciate both our clubs history, along with Arsenals Invincibles, Spurs 61 double winners, Forrest's Eurooean triumphs etc.
Noisy Neighbour| What about the other 120 years? Well, despite your claim, Liverpool have never dominated Man Utd outside of their glory period (the 70's and 80's), and the same goes for the Red Devils other than the 90's and 00's. The times when our clubs did get the upper hand over the other were short-lived. These dynasties are rare in football and we should appreciate them when they come along
Despite accusations, we Utd fans are not stuck in the past. The last 6 years have been difficult +we are only too aware of the ground we have lost to our rivals + of all the hard work + inspiration, not to mention time, that is still needed to even begin clawing back the deficit. We won't apologise for our golden period under Fergie tho, nor are we gonna have our faces rubbed in our current plight
I actually and factually remember Sir Matt (both stints), Wilf Mcguinness, Frank O'Farrell, The Doc (and relegation), Dave Sexton, Big Ron Atkinson and SAF especially the first five years)! OGS was recognized as having "a great footballing mind" by no less an authority than SAF, himself! He will come through for us once he clears out Creep Pogba, Snowflake Lingaard,and De Gea if he doesn't re-up !
Noisy Neighbour | 'Recent' and 'relevant' do not mean the same things. You've made the make of conflating the two. The Fergie yrs might not be 'current' but for most United fans they are still hugely 'relevant'.They are also relevant in the mind of the average ABU who desperately wants to consign them to deep history + make out that the last 6 years are much more indicative of the club's identity!
Noisy Neighbour | A. Football began in 1863 when the rules were codified. So that's about 155 years that the sport has been in existence. 6 years ( time elapsed since Fergie's retirement + final league-winning season) ÷ 155 years = < 4. So, 96% of football history can be found outside of the last 6 years. Viewed through this lens then (not the one that demands instant success!) 2013 is 'recent'
Saints draw at home to Man U yet 80% of this article is about Man U. They are yesterdays team and top 10 at best so lets move on and find some journalistic equity please BBC.
Great result for Southampton but I thought that striker we brought from the championship was disappointing to be brutally honest with you. That was the best chance we've had at taking 3 points off Manu in years, scuffed wide
5 points from 4 games half as many as little Citeh Mid table form which is about right for an average pretty run of the mill team
Ferguson glory years becoming a dim and distant memory. A series of managerial failures and players not fit to lace the boots of previous squads all add up to a slide into mediocrity. Utd have been here before, 70’s and 80’s anyone, they’ll cope with what could be a couple of decades playing second fiddle.
Youngsters are overhyped at United, remember Januzaj now at Real Sociedad? The media were clamouring for him to given British citizenship so he could play for England. he wasnt good enough. He was a diving cheat and I remember Moyes say he hoped that he would not get the reputation of being a diver, he got more bookings for diving than goals at United. Daniel James may follow his lead.
United were finished when Fergie left, his sides got free kicks and Penalties in the Premier league whenever they needed them. When he left this avenue of winning games that should have been drawn went.The results at the club since speak for themselves, United always under achieved in European competitions as refs did not bow down to Fergies demands for gifts from officials from the touchline.
923. Himself - not sure how you understand me to be saying 'it's not fair' , surely thats your argument about chelsea and city, who I have no problem with either.Your argument perpetuates the elite clubs in Europe dominating forever as smaller clubs can never compete with the Real, Bayern, Juve ,utd's etc of this world unless they do a Blackburn, Chelsea or City. I'm all for competition.
Pogba's on strike again then. The last two games he has been dreadful. Can't see him pulling his socks up before he gets his move. Dump him in the reserves.
@918 The answer is one. Christiano Ronaldo. Also you don't need apostrophes around 'title winning' when you're talking about teams that actually won the title.
@921 can’t agree, your argument is pretty much saying it’s not fair they were more successful than us.Don’t agree with it, any club should be able to spend what they make, regardless how it effects other clubs, as other clubs are not their business Leeds and others were grossly miss managed, trying to buy success.. so only themselves to blame.Needs to be what the legitimately make
Another interesting fact about Liverpool and utd's respective dominance of the 1st Division and Premiership. During Liverpools dominance 2 other English teams were able to win the European cup 3 times. During utds dominance only Liverpool were able to win the European cup despite 4 Engluish teams entering each year.This suggests greater competition in the 1st Division than the Premiership.
913. Himself - 'I don’t like them, but have never begrudged what they spend, as it’s what they make.'Sort of agree with you but what I do begrudge is the way they have almost exclusively inflated the transfer market and salaries with their obscene spending thus causing others to try to compete and in the case of Leeds, failing disastrously. However, what goes around, comes around!
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