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My top rating:Fangio [way ahead]ClarkSennaSchumacherAscari StewartProstMossLaudaThese 9 are so far ahead that I can't think who could be number 10 although Alonso [won championship in most relaible but not fastest car], Vettal youngest double champion, but in dominant car, or Hamilton probably the fastest [not necessarily best] current driver all have potential to be 10 or better.
with five to go I am assuming that they are (in no particular order)ClarkSennaSchumacherFangioProstAnyone disagree, based on who is already listed?
To anyone who says you have to be a WC to be a great driver, I say "really?". Well look how many WCs did not make this list even those in he past 30 years? A Jones (remember Germany 81?) K Rosberg, Damon Hill. J Villeneuve.There were some drivers in their eras that were great but didn't win many GPs never mind titles, Alesi, Pironi, Depailler, Lafitte, Coulthard, Barrichello so it's all relative.
@165 HarleyThere are always 'ifs' regarding drivers who had their career prematurely ended. Moss may well have gone on to win the championship in '62 and beyond but Clark in the Lotus would definitely have been stiff competition.My opinion on Clark is based on him being a superior driver to Hill who won the championship in '68. Of course mechanical issues may have affected the outcome.
"BaggiosPonytail" says, "Clark is generally regarded as the greatest-ever British F1 driver"". Not, I reckon, by those who actually saw Moss drive. The point was then made that, "but for his (Clark) tragic death (he) would surely have won more." Moss intended driving until he was 50: how many Championships would he have won in those 18 years in works' cars? (Andretti drove until he was 50).
162.HarleyMoss should only be compared with Fangio and Senna at the very top of F1, on a different level to Clark, Prost, and Schumacher._______________________Really? Clark is generally regarded as the greatest ever British F1 driver. Two dominant WDC wins and but for his tragic death would surely have won more. Prost a 4 times WDC champion, Schumacher a 7 times WDC champion.
@162 On a different level of Clark? Ah, yeah. Clark was without any doubt the best driver of his generation. Indeed Moss was also called "the best"...after Ascari died and Fangio retired..a few years later Clark drove one of the most dominant seasons of F1 history, only to repeat it in 1965.
A limited number of the contributors still question whether Moss should be above Stewart. I find this strange because there was a considerable gulf in ability between the two. This is not to denigrate Stewart, who was, indeed, a very fine driver, but Moss should only be compared with Fangio and Senna at the very top of F1, on a different level to Clark, Prost, and Schumacher.
Excellent tribute to a truly great driver. From a time when motor racing was exactly that and not the media circus Ecclestone has created
Andrew Benson, above, said Moss only outqualified Fangio once in 1955. This isn't surprising because Moss at 25 was still on a learning curve whilst Fangio was at his peak, aged 43. Three years later, Moss was the world's top driver and remained so during the four years until the Goodwood career-ending crash in 1962. Moss, in those years, was arguably a greater driver than Fangio had ever been.
Not sure what to make of Moss, he was an excellent driver but I'm not quite sold that he should be this high in terms of the list with drivers like Stewart and Ascari also here. Just my thoughts though, unarguably a legend of the sport.
@153 HarleyI didn't realise he won that many non championship races. His overall record really is superb. In fact having looked at his excellent website I think I will have to revise my top 10.1. Senna2. Fangio3. Schumacher4. Clark5. Prost6. Stewart7. Moss8. Lauda9. Alonso (currently, could go higher)10. Hakkinen
"Ascari’s record shows that hewas capable of beating Fangio virtually any day ofthe week . In Ascari’s lifetimethere were many who considered him to be betterthan Fangio and observers were referring to himas Maestro long before that accolade was bestowedupon the Argentine."Chris Nixon, Kings of the Nurburgring
@151 f1fan2011 I totally concur with your opinion. Nigel Mansell should have been higher. Indeed pound for pound, he's one of the greatest drivers of all time.
Alan Henry, the experienced and respected F1 journalist, ("Autocar" and other periodicals) wrote a book published in 2008, entitled "The Top 100 F1 Drivers of All Time" - covered all F1, not just since the World Championship in 1950 - with legendary drivers such as Tazio Nuvolari and Bernd Rosemeyer. At the very top of the list, in first place, Stirling Moss.
In fact if you go on stirlingmoss.com you will see in 1959 he raced for both cooper and brm got a 2nd in the brm and a couple of 1sts in the cooper so I can kinda see where the confusion came in. If anyone wants to find out more about Sir Stirling seriously check out his web page full of good facts and tidbits
Before his career-ending crash at Goodwood in April,1962, Moss had taken part in 501 races, finished in 382, and won 173. This doesn't include numerous trials, hill-climbs, rallies and record attempts. In the early years not all F1 races counted for the World Championship: he won over 50 F1 races, often in privately entered cars, frequently with less power than those of the works' teams.
...oh yes, and of course the 1959 Cooper/BRM howler. Wikipedia 1 - Professional BBC journalist 0.C- (try harder)
I think Mansell rates a better ranking here. He has had appalling luck, with wheelnuts flying off, tyres expoloding like in 86 when he only had to finish third for the title and so on. An amazing racer, qualifier and overtaker and in the right car every bit as fast as Senna or Prost. Also won Indy carts as a rookie after his F1 title win. Only driver ever to do so. A legend in my book.
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