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So, I'm thinking of buying a car. Would a manufacturer's performance in f1 make any impact on my car choice?Nope.
You know it would be deliciously ironic if the Ilmore-Renault-Red Bull engine proved, next year, to be a winner and Horner offered it to McLaren, as the Honda is still lacking because they can't change the design due to Ross's stubbornness, only for the offer to be vetoed by Matechitz
Got to agree about the difference between the Honda Team against their ability to build an engine. Working in the Honda Team sounded like a nightmareHaving said that, I think you could have put any engine in the "Brawn" chassis & win, but the essentially it was built to take the Honda engine. The Merc engine was "shoehorned" into it. If it had the Honda engine, it would have even won more
"Try harder, be better, I'm paying for this"@82 paying for what? You bought your own TV, you pay monthly for your channel subscription package, you pay the electricity bills.Why are you wasting money paying double for a bogus "license" for an item you don't need a license with which to own or use, just because the BBC has a bad business model?
#201: The F1 technical regs are very specific regarding the composition of fuel used, so even though teams may use different suppliers its highly unlikely that any team's fuel has a "totally different formula" from others. F1 fuel is actually very similar to standard unleaded as used in road cars.
@196 Bacaruda & 193 Matt Hensley - Honda's previous problem wasn't the engine. It was they simply couldn't run a race team. Brawn was more than glad to see them go as he got sick to death of being "politely" ignored whilst Honda's HQ thought they knew better & just did whatever they wanted. Plus the stand alone Brawn chassis, which otherwise would have been a Honda, was brilliant with the diffuser
@197. That comes own to the type of fuel they used, the Mercedes engine has been designed around a specific fuel, which no one else can get. Total (Mclarens fuel supplier) have a totally different formula from Petronas, which didn't work very well with the engine.
@196, it was definitely a merc engine in Mansells mclaren in 1995. They ditched Peugeot the previous year.
@ 197 VDU881 - sorry but you've been misinformed about the engine. Honda has had to do this compact design because that is what McLaren wanted. Yes McLaren has fixed their chassis & areo design, but in doing so it meant the engine had to be compromised. Instead Honda needs to be allowed to deign the engine as they see fit, then worry about the Red Bull coke-bottle type aero around the engine bay
Increased efficiency of an engine must use more its energy the method must create a slightly diagonal method which duplicates the dynamic condition, thermodynamics and mechanics. Such a model should consider the example of the multiplicity of functions and importance of the human head and apply the consideration so that the uses of the cylinder head will not be restricted as it is now.
Its funny that the official line is that McLaren is being held back by Honda's shortcomings. They weren't exactly setting the world on fire when they had the best engine available (Mercs)The engine may well get better, but the McLaren staff may have already migrated.Alonso says the car handles well, but would it if the engine had the full beans?
@195 It was a Peugot in Mansell´s Mclaren. Big Mac has often underperformed in fact.@189 There have been v few F1 4 pots since ´66, other than the mainly also-ran Hart engine in the Toleman (Senna´s rookie season and Warwick years).Piquet BMWs were winners.@186 Last Honda engine was terrible. Brawn went MB and won (diffuser helped!)
Remember that Mercedes owe much of their success to McLaren putting up with a few years of poor performance before the Hakkinen/Coulthard era. Remember Nigel Mansel quit after a few races with a Mercedes engine. Give Honda time, after all the Mercedes team took 2 seasons and the second retirement of Micheal Schumacher to come good!
F1 has been ruined, it's as simple as that
182 Hondas more recent efforts in f1 weren't exactly successful they could do with supplying another team they must be data starved compared to the others
The world in Japan moves very differently. Small steps, sure and certain ones, instead of big leaps of faith. In a fast -moving environment such as F1, this makes things very difficult. There is little doubt that Honda have the will, ability and money to build a really good engine, it's just a question whether the required timescales are short enough for their collaborators.
As far as McLaren/Honda F1's performance, " never in the field of human racing has so little been done with so much by such plonkers"
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