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@197 the race has been going for almost two hundred years so what are you talking about ? Where do you draw the line in life itself ? Are you suggesting that thoroughbreds become extinct like the dinosaur ?
In my language "No" is an answer.Not the same though is it, putting an animal in that position is unacceptable cruelty for people like you to be entertained.Would you enter them as a jockey without their consent if they were oblivious to the risks?Where exactly do you draw your line? Two horses killed, three, four, thirty...???
@195 you didn't answer my question and obviously have a degree in "exaggeration" to make such comments about me ! I have two daughters and if either of them ever became jockeys and wanted to ride in the race I would certainly not put them off..just as several ladies have already ridden in it.Did you ever see National Velvet with Elizabeth Taylor ?
No, I am a horse racing fan and 99% of it is an acceptable risk like all sport, but two horses being killed each year is unacceptable.I expect you are into dog fighting, fox hunting and cruelty to animals as long as you are treated to an exciting spectacle and entertained.Would you enter your pets or kids into such a dangerous environment without their consent?Reduce the field, simple answer
@193....tell me something...are you a vegetarian and what do you wear on your body and on your feet ? Are you yet another of these misguided souls who have double standards and will pick on one item in particular ? just to suit your own purpose ?
Drever - Appreciate you have no argument for the barbaric killing field that is the Grand National, two deaths per year recently. No amount of "off topic" discussions on your favourite films or most romantic horses will change that.Amazing how the "moderators" apply the house rules to suit their own agenda, with the BBC a massive supporter of the GN and the regular deaths that are part of it.
Drever,Sam finished second on Oscar Time to Ballabriggs and I'm sure he would love to win the race and I feel Long Run could be the type to do it for him. Bobs Worth will always be too good for him at Cheltenham,and he could do a L'escargot who also won two Gold Cups as a younger horse before going on to later Grand National glory !
he finished 4th on sir peter lely and 3rd on over the deal
Andrew, I've not seen National Velvet. But I've seen 'The Sting'.The HBO TV Series 'Luck' was good until an animal welfare group caused it to be cancelled.Long Run for the Grand National is interesting. He may as well go for the National, as I can't see him winning another Gold Cup. The conditions were perfect for him to regain the Gold Cup this year. But is his jumping good enough?
@188....chris bonner is the jockey i was thinking of
@185 Chris Collins was a great amateur jockey and rode Credit call to several wins..whilst others such as Tommy Smith,Charles Fenwick and Marcus Armytage won the National in 1965,80 and 90 respectively...@186 it's frustrating as someone like Francome or O'Neill would have won on him...I wonder if Sam Waley Cohen may win it one day...on Long Run perhaps !
@183 Drever..I have seen most of those ..how could you leave out National Velvet..whilst The Sting was a brilliant movie about gambling..it's high time they made a movie about the greatest steeplechaser,Arkle !I hope it happens in my lifetime !
@181 Andrew, it's rather harsh to say that Spartan Missile lost out to Aldaniti just because he had an amateur jockey - look at it from the view that John Thorne came second in a professional jockeys dominated race and at a relatively late age. Good for him (but not for your bet obviously).
always used to follow a jockey over the big fences.was an amatuer,but im damned if i can remember his name.never won it but always got round
Agreed about Crisp,triptych, and I backed both him and Red Rum in 1973 when I was legally able to bet for the first time,and I used to back The Pilgarlic each way too as he was a reliable Fred Rimell trained horse,a bit similar to another favourite of mine,Springbok,from the 1960s !
Mr Frisk in 1990 (his course record will never be beaten now race has been shortened), Party Politics in 1992, Papillon in 2000 (who I backed at 33-1), Hedgehunter in 2005 and AP finally winning in 2010 on Don't Push It.Other horsey movies worth watching are Secretariat, Sea Biscuit and Spirit:Stallion of the Cimarron! Plus maybe Black Beauty, Pharlap and The Black Stallion. LOL
crisp was my favourite runner of all time tho,followed closely by the pilgarlic who always seemed to finish 4th lol
@179 I had the winner that year 1994 Miinehoma ridden by Richard Dunwoody,whilst @180 in 1981 I backed the unlucky second Spartan Missile, who would have won had he been ridden by a professional jockey and not 54 year old amateur John Thorne,though Champions was a great movie and no-one can begrudge Team Aldaniti !
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