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Summary

  1. West Indies draw first Test, Antigua
  2. Anderson breaks England wicket record
  3. West Indies 350-7 - target 438
  4. Holder 103*, Smith 65, Ramdin 57
  5. Anderson 384, Botham 383 Test wickets

Live Reporting

By Mark Mitchener and James Gheerbrant

All times stated are UK

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  1. Post update

    And after a Test that went the distance, it's time to wave Antigua goodbye. It's a quick turnaround for both teams with the second Test starting in Grenada on Tuesday. It's the first time England have played a Test there.

    Thanks for your company and messages over the last five days - I'm sure there will be plenty of debate around England's team selection for the next Test between now and then, but make sure you join us on Tuesday. (Or we'll send the Seaweed Man to get you). Farewell for now.

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    Timothy, Swaffham, Norfolk: I know there was no win, but this is Test cricket, a good match that kept me hooked and happy for five days, thank you TMS.

    Simon Taylor: Somehow if it had been the other way round I doubt England would have lasted the day. We seem unable to kill off opposition and yet we crumble at the first sign of weakness. We remain a very fragile side. Not looking forward to the Ashes.

  3. Join the debate at #bbccricket

    Joe Gates: Congratulations @jimmy9 a fantastic achievement for a great guy, and hard luck England, great effort just came up short.

  4. Review of the day

    England began the day with hope. West Indies began on 98-2 chasing a theoretical 438, and the tourists had the better of the first session after Devon Smith (65) and Marlon Samuels both perished to rash shots, and the usually obdurate Shivnarine Chanderpaul fell to Joe Root's part-time spin.

    After lunch, Jermaine Blackwood played an even dafter shot to leave the Windies 189-6 with plenty of overs left. But captain Denesh Ramdin (57) and especially Jason Holder (103 not out) saw the Windies through to the close with three wickets in hand.

  5. Join the debate at #bbccricket

    Danny Bromley: To be honest that was another poor England display. Never look like taking a wicket!

    Michael Shaw: England rushing to blame the wicket but seeing Broad et al bowling in the high 70s wasn't helping create anything on this deck.

    Matt Chapman: Once again, English cricket fans showing just how pathetic they can be.

  6. Post update

    You'll be able to listen again to the "full monty" from Geoffrey on the TMS podcast page a little later.

    Already on there are various highlights and features from the last five days, such as the journalists' panel today, the T20 Blast preview (day four), "The Real Jimmy" (day three), "Ask Viv" (day two) and TMS's tribute to Richie Benaud (day one). Plenty to listen to over the weekend.

  7. Captain's view

    West Indies captain Denesh Ramdin, who made 57: "Hopefully it is one of many to come. Kemar Roach held his nerve well at the end.

    "England fought hard - they came at us all the time. But it was still a good pitch.

    "If we lost a couple of quick wickets this morning, we could have been in trouble. Partnerships are crucial."

    Denesh Ramdin
  8. Anderson sets new England record

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    Former England all-rounder Derek Pringle: One thing both Jimmy and Beefy do have in common is that they are both staunch team men, unlike some we could mention.

  9. Captain's view

    England captain Alastair Cook: "We knew it was going to be hard work, and it proved to be. Getting three wickets in the first session was a great effort. Credit to Jason Holder, we couldn't have done any more. I can't fault the lads' effort.

    "In these conditions, you almost have to play the perfect game and that doesn't always happen. We dropped a couple of tough chances but I think it would be harsh to focus on those. It was a tough wicket. The lads fought incredibly hard.

    "The West Indies bowlers put the ball in some really good areas. It was a great moment when Jimmy took the 384th wicket, we'll remember it for a long time."

    Alastair Cook
  10. Post update

    Geoffrey Boycott

    Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    What about England's top order?

    "Three, four and five are secure now, but do you drop Trott for Lyth when the captain can't find a run? I wouldn't have picked this squad here, but I'd pick Lyth for Grenada, you can't drop the captain - I think it's the weight of the captaincy on him now rather than his technique. It's between the ears and until he gets some runs, it weighs heavily on you."

  11. Man of the match

    Man of the match Jason Holder: "My job is simple, it's just to bat. It was great o get support from the other guys, Denesh put on a really good partnership with me.

    "We didn't have a good morning, but there's a word that we've been using in the dressing room, and that's belief. It's my first hundred, and hopefully it's the first of many. I see myself as a genuine all-rounder.

    "It's a burden off my shoulders not to be captain, but it's something I like as well."

    Jason Holder
  12. Post update

    Geoffrey Boycott

    Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    "If you're looking to improve the team next Test, on a slow surface, one of the seamers has got to go - probably Jordan. If you're bringing Moeen Ali out from England, he'll play, and to bring in Rashid, they might have to leave out Tredwell."

  13. Man of the match

    West Indies' Jason Holder is named as Man of the Match - with honourable mentions for Ian Bell and Joe Root.

    In a less close contest, the Seaweed Man has been named (by me) as Seaweed Man of the Match.

  14. Anderson sets new England record

    Previous leading England wicket-taker Sir Ian Botham on Sky Sports: "I'm delighted for Jimmy. It's been a burden for him and for me. He was always going past it.

    "I've watched him develop those skills. It's not easy to bowl the inswinger and away-swinger with very little detail change but it's great to watch those skills. I enjoy watching him bowl, it's a pleasure to commentate.

    "I've got something for him in the UK, it's too big to bring over but he'll enjoy it. It's the largest bottle of wine that I've been able to find in Europe. It's about as big as Jimmy."

  15. Post update

    Geoffrey Boycott

    Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    "After Blackwood was out, we got the best cricket of the day. I thought Ramdin played superbly, he got forward and played straight. Holder was brilliant. He can bowl, he can really bat - that wasn't a fluke. He would benefit from a season in country cricket, he'd be a revelation. He didn't slog it, he's a nice clean striker of the ball."

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    Anthony Slack: Outstanding performance from the West Indies! Good stuff from both sides. Obvious where both need to improve!

    Portobello Disco: Australia would not have let that game get away. This tactic of ensuring we don't lose first has got to change.

    Richard French: Let's not moan about England but congratulate West Indies. Fantastic effort. Well done Jimmy Anderson. So many more wickets to come.

  17. Anderson sets new England record

    More from James Anderson on Sky Sports: "I think the difference from when I started is that I know my game now. When I started I didn't have a clue, ran up and bowled as hard as I can. I developed skills over the years that stand me in good stead to hold my own in the game.

    "[Breaking the record] has not been a target. I love taking wickets for England, you pick up milestones along the way. It was a huge landmark for me picking up 100 Tests this week, that's what I focus on.

    "My target is to keep my place in the side. We have a hugely talented side at the minute and everyone is very excited about where we go."

    James Anderson
  18. Post update

    Geoffrey Boycott

    Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    "The fourth day and today have been the best cricket of the match - you could tell as local people were coming to see if West Indies could hang on. England did everything they could, the pitch was very difficult to bowl people out as it's slow and low, and gives people time to defend. Devon Smith got out slogging, Marlon Samuels has lots of talent but not much brain as he missed being stumped, made another airy-fairy drive and got out, and Jermaine Blackwood played about the worst shot in Test cricket. If you see one worse, you can ring me up - and reverse the charges."

  19. Post update

    Stand by for Aggers and Geoffrey's review of the day on TMS...

  20. Anderson sets new England record

    England bowler James Anderson on Sky Sports: "We got into a great position. We got ourselves back in the game with a great hundred from Belly and Gaz [Gary Ballance] but we couldn't find anything in that pitch whatsoever, we tried our hearts out.

    "My immediate emotion [when I got the wicket] was we were back in the game. We were hoping to get the win. Hugely proud, great to have my family here as well and taking over from an English legend is a hugely proud moment for me."

    James Anderson
  21. Post update

    Michael Vaughan

    Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special

    "England missed a trick by not playing Rashid in this match. The leg-spinner could have been a real threat on the fifth day. But in terms of tactics, England were excellent all day. They just didn't have enough variation in the attack."

    Listen to TMS commentary via the audio icon (available in UK only).

  22. Join the debate at #bbccricket

    ben brown: How did we not win that, how many overs do we need to get a very average West Indies team out!

    nick gibson: hat off to Jason Holder. But England have contributed to their own downfall with team selection.

    Antony Stewart: The media have goaded this young Windies team for having no discipline and playing on tilt, Holder has proven them wrong.

  23. Post update

    I'm sure the knives are being sharpened for certain members of the England team already - but let's not take credit away from Jason Holder, who stood up to be counted when some more experienced players played some pretty awful shots today.

  24. Post update

    Michael Vaughan

    Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special

    "It was tense, but not as tense as I thought it was going to be. What an innings from Jason Holder. Clearly the West Indies have found a cricketer who is going to be around for a long, long time. When he came to the crease, it was looking like it would be all over by tea, but he barely played a false shot."

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    Martin, Worcester: Why do we expect the West Indies to just roll over? English arrogance.

  26. Post update

    Sir Viv Richards

    Ex-West Indies captain on BBC Test Match Special

    "It was a magnificent knock. I like this Jason Holder fellow, I think he's going to be a magnificent cricketer. It was a marvellous effort from the West Indies, I think a lot of folks would have come here today expecting them to crumble."

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  27. End-of-match scorecard

    West Indies 350-7 (129.4 overs) - match drawn

    Batsmen: Holder 103*, Roach 15*

    Fall of wickets: 7-1 (Brathwaite 5), 90-2 (Bravo 32), 119-3 (Smith 65), 127-4 (Samuels 23), 155-5 (Chanderpaul 13), 189-6 (Blackwood 31), 294-7 (Ramdin 57)

    Bowling figures: Anderson 24.4-3-72-2, Broad 21-5-61-1, Tredwell 40-14-93-1, Jordan 18-6-48-1, Stokes 13-0-50-0, Root 13-6-22-2

    England 399 & 333-7 dec; West Indies 295

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  28. Post update

    What a game for Jason Holder - surely a contender for man of the match. With a previous best first-class score of 52, his unbeaten 103 came from 149 balls and has ensured the series remains level.

    And one stat remains: England have still never won a Test in Antigua.

  29. Post update

    Jonathan Agnew

    BBC Test Match Special

    "West Indies have put together a tremendous fightback. I hope Jason Holder walks of to a huge ovation. England will be hugely disappointed, this match seemed destined to end at tea-time, but it's gone the whole distance."

    Listen to TMS commentary via the audio icon (available in UK only).

  30. Match drawn

    Roach digs out the fourth ball of the over, Cook walks up from slip and offers Roach his hand - West Indies have secured the draw.

  31. WI 350-7 (3 balls left)

    Pitched up, fended off to short leg. Only a hat-trick can win the game from here...

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    Ed Hillman: Delighted that England have regressed to the disappointment and mediocre levels of my youth. Last few years have been all wrong.

    John Kershaw: Based on this match and terrible World Cup campaign, Moores should be making a few calls to sort out his future employment.

  33. WI 350-7 (4 balls left)

    Play and miss. Four balls left.

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    Samuel Sargeant: Fair play to West Indies. Well batted Jason Holder.

    Paul Collins: Jason Holder. Stood up and made it count when it mattered most. Take note Alastair cook. Well done Holder.

    Howad Horner: Jason Holder. The future of West Indies cricket is safe as long as he's around. Wonderful innings, wonderful cricketer.

  35. WI 350-7 (5 balls left)

    We're into the last over - Anderson to bowl. Roach just needs to survive the first four balls and they can shake hands on a draw. He defends the first.

  36. WI 350-7 (1 over left)

    Holder is back on the defensive, and the Caribbean fans are up on their feat saluting their new hero. He plays back the last ball of Tredwell's over - who will bowl the last? Gotta be Jimmy?

  37. Post update

    Jonathan Agnew

    BBC Test Match Special

    "Holder does deserve this hundred. What an effort to save this match. This is a really promising young cricketer. He's got some guts."

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  38. 100 for Holder

    WI 350-7

    Another four smacked through long-off brings Holder his century - it's his maiden first-class ton, let alone Test cricket.

    And it uses up another delivery - West Indies have nine balls to survive.

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    Fenners: Difficult to know if this is inept bowling or a flat pitch. Bit of both maybe?

    Dobablo: Come on Holder. Chance a few attempting to reach your century.

  40. WI 346-7 (1.5 overs left)

    Holder, on 95, smacks Tredwell down the ground... it's four when it looked like it was going for a flat six. 11 balls left.

  41. WI 342-7 (min 2 overs left)

    It didn't touch his bat - his bat just hit the ground, which may have produced a noise. And Roach survives again with two overs left.

    The unintended consequence of that review may be that we don't have enough time to get more than two overs in, in three minutes. England seem to have realised that as Joe Root takes a while to don shin pads to stand at bat-pad.

  42. Umpire review

    With the field moved to the leg side, Roach jams his bat down and England appeal for a catch behind. Billy Bowden shakes his head and England, desperately, call for a review...

  43. Post update

    Jonathan Agnew

    BBC Test Match Special

    "Time is surely running out for England now. But every time that Test cricket produces a last hour like this, you punch the air, because it's what the game is all about."

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  44. Close!

    WI 342-7 (min 2.3 overs left)

    It's been James Anderson's day, setting a new England record for Test wicket - can the Burnley magic blow away these last three wickets? He finds Roach's edge... it bounces agonisingly in front of the slips and away for four.

  45. WI 338-7 (min 3 overs left)

    Tredwell to continue. Holder, on 91, guides a two off his legs, then guides a two between silly point and gully. The Antiguan fans are loving this, he's up to 95.

    The equation is this. Three wickets needed. Three overs (minimum) left. Tension cranked up to 11.

  46. Post update

    Andrew Samson

    BBC Test Match Special statistician

    "If West Indies save this, it will be the second longest they've ever batted in the fourth innings to save a Test match, after the 'Timeless Test' in 1930."

  47. Join the debate at #bbccricket

    Matt Wilkinson: So we are struggling to bowl out West Indies B team. What is the address to post the Ashes to the Australia Cricket Board?

    Leonard Odicean: If my wife were locked in toilet, this England team couldn't get her out.

  48. WI 334-7 (min 4 overs left)

    After one over of Jordan, England turn back to Joe Root - whether as a wicket-taking partnership-breaker, or as an attempt to whistle through another over in order to get an extra over in. Roach, having defended so well, is tempted into a flashing drive at the off-spinner and misses but survives... Root goes round the wicket, but Roach sees out the maiden. Only 24 more balls - or 13 minutes - for West Indies to bat out the draw.

  49. Post update

    Jonathan Agnew

    BBC Test Match Special

    "The prospect of a first ever century for Jason Holder is just going to be nibbling away at the back of his mind with five overs to go."

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  50. Join the debate at #bbccricket

    James Wheaton: Tredwell is no better than a county trundler, doesn't look remotely threatening on a fifth day pitch.

    Nick Gibson: If only we had a leg-spinner bowling on a 5th day track... that's right we have just didn't bother picking him.

  51. WI 334-7 (Holder 91*, Roach 11*)

    Holder goes for the drive again, the ball sails to the backward point boundary and he's into the 90s with five overs left.

  52. Dropped catch

    WI 330-7

    Close! Holder aims a powerful drive, it comes off the shins of the helmeted Gary Ballance at short point, spoons into the air and James Tredwell nearly takes a superb return catch diving to his left, but can't hold on.

  53. Anderson's greatest moment?

    In one of the closest Ashes contests in history, Anderson claimed 5-85 and 5-73, including four wickets on the final day to seal a thrilling 14-run win over Australia at Trent Bridge in 2013.

    James Anderson
  54. WI 330-7 (min 6 overs left)

    Chris Jordan replaces Broad as Captain Cook shuffles his bowlers. Holder steers a three to move to 87 - that's 13 short of what would be a landmark maiden Test century. The close fielders crouch down again, but Roach again defends his stumps adeptly before helping the last ball down the leg side for four.

    There is now a minimum of six overs left - if England get a shift on, they might just get an extra one in before the official close of play at 22:12 BST.

  55. Join the debate at #bbccricket

    Ian Bradley: Glad to see the resilience shown by the home side, ideal preparation for the sterner challenges to come in the summer.

  56. Post update

    Graeme Swann

    Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "I think you've got to give Joe Root a go. James Tredwell has bowled manfully all day, but he's not looking that dangerous. I'd like to see Jonathan Trott under a helmet on the leg side, just for that short one that rears up off the handle."

  57. WI 323-7 (England need three wickets to win)

    Tredwell to continue, sweat glistening on his balding bonce. Holder steers a two through mid-off, he's standing tall in every sense here for what would be a gritty draw for West Indies - he even jabs a single off the last ball to keep the strike.

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    Ayelet H Lushkov: A Broady hat trick would be really handy right about now. Gotta catch up with Jimmy!

    Alan Compton: This is now the longest innings of the match. Not good enough. Hyper-critical maybe, but this is the spinner's job...

  59. Post update

    Graeme Swann

    Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "I'm starting to fear the worst here. There are a few fielders with hands on hips. England have got to keep the belief and make something happen here."

    Listen to TMS commentary via the audio icon (available in UK only).

  60. Anderson's greatest moment?

    Anderson removes Ricky Ponting and Michael Clarke in his first two overs to set up England's thrashing of Australia at Adelaide on the way to a 3-1 Ashes triumph in 2010-11.

    James Anderson
  61. WI 320-7 (min 8 overs left)

    It's a rare event in a Test to see all nine fielders in the picture as Broad charges in to Roach, who does excellently to dig out a couple of yorkers speared in at his boots, jamming his bat down well, and looks every inch the composed batsman as he squeezes a two through point.

  62. Post update

    Graeme Swann

    Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "I'm pleased to see James Tredwell coming on. He just needs to bowl slightly quicker than usual, see if he can get it to grip and spit. On a pitch like this, you can't afford to bowl too slowly, as the batsman can just play back to you. I don't want to play devil's advocate, but this would be the perfect time for a leg-spinner."

  63. WI 318-7 (England need three wickets to win)

    Stokes off, Tredwell on as England search for that magical breakthrough. But Holder holds firm. Maiden over. Nine to go.

  64. Post update

    Andrew Samson

    BBC Test Match Special statistician

    "If West Indies save this, it will be 50.5 overs after the fall of the sixth wicket, which will be the fourth longest any team has batted after the fall of the sixth wicket to save a Test match. The last six times a 10th-wicket partnership has saved a Test match, it's been a match involving England."

    Suddenly I'm reminded of Monty's commando-crawl in Auckland, Onions holding off Morkel at Cape Town, and many others...

  65. Anderson's greatest moment?

    Anderson exhibits his full swing-bowling repertoire en route to career-best figures of 11-71 as England destroy Pakistan in the first Test at Trent Bridge in 2010.

    James Anderson
  66. WI 318-7 (min 10 overs left)

    Holder guides Broad for a three to mid-on, still showing confidence in his partner. Roach averages under 10 in Test cricket, with a top score of 41, but he's doing a superb job for the Caribbean region today. A straight bat from the Bajan means it's 10 overs left for them to survive.

  67. Post update

    Graeme Swann

    Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "I've just had Viv Richards tell me that Sulieman Benn can bat a bit. I'm starting to wonder if Viv Richards knows anything about batting!

    "You've got to admire the West Indies' fight and resolve. I don't think there are enough superlatives for Jason Holder. He's batted magnificently. He's the most easy-on-the-eye tail-ender I've seen."

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    Andrew Morris: If only we can winkle Holder out I think England will win this... Tough ask though.

    Matt W: Cannot believe the pub turned off the cricket minutes before Anderson's landmark wicket in favour of Middlesbrough vs Norwich!

    You could find a new pub to go to? Tell them to follow Boro-Norwich via the BBC Sport live text?

  69. WI 315-7 (England need three wickets to win)

    Jerome Taylor is padded up, big Sulieman Benn has donned thigh pad and armguard in the West Indies viewing area - but they'll hope not to be needed here. Another fluent square drive off the back foot brings Holder four - I agree with Sir Viv that the Windies have a very valuable player on their hands here. A single brings Roach on strike, and brings in everyone around the bat. Stokes bowls it full, but Roach hangs on.

  70. Post update

    Sir Viv Richards

    Ex-West Indies captain on BBC Test Match Special

    "We just need a couple more cricketers like Jason Holder, who are committed and talented like him. When you have such height, batting looks so simple. He looks totally organised at the crease."

    Listen to TMS commentary via the audio icon (available in UK only).

  71. Anderson's greatest moment?

    England's final pair Anderson and Monty Panesar defy Australia for 40 minutes to clinch a draw with Australia in the first Ashes Test at Cardiff in 2009. Anderson survived 53 deliveries and Panesar 35.

    James Anderson
  72. WI 310-7 (min 12 overs left)

    After a six-over spell which included that crucial 384th wicket, Anderson gives way to Stuart Broad, who tests Roach with a bouncer which flicks off his torso as he ducks out of the way. A hostile maiden over is batted out - 12 left.

  73. Anderson sets new England record

    Former England all-rounder Derek Pringle on Twitter: All hail James Anderson England's new record holder with 384 Test wickets. Now the hard work - a night out with a vanquished Sir Ian Botham.

    Former England wicketkeeper Alec Stewart on Twitter: Huge congratulations to Jimmy on becoming England's leading Test wicket taker. Brilliant achievement. Next target 500 wickets please.

  74. WI 310-7 (Holder 73*, Roach 5*)

    Ben Stokes replaces Root - Holder is hit on the pad, there's an appeal but with the ball clearly sailing down the leg side, no review is used. England still have two left (that Jordan no-ball did not cost them a review) - a good back-foot press from Holder sails away for four through point, but it does little to alter the state of the game. It's still three wickets or bust - West Indies would need to score 128 in 13 overs. Which they won't attempt.

  75. Anderson's greatest moment?

    Anderson, aged 20 and with blond highlights in his hair, marked his Test debut in 2003 by taking 5-73 as England swept to an innings victory over Zimbabwe inside three days at Lord's.

    James Anderson
  76. WI 306-7 (min 14 overs left)

    Umpire Billy Bowden signals the start of the last hour - Roach knocks a single to scurry away from Anderson's end, but England keep the close fielders in for Holder, who straight-drives and comes back for a third run - clearly he's no longer protecting Roach. Four slips, four men catching in front of the wicket, and even fine leg comes up to leg gully as Roach plays and misses. Oh, the tension.

  77. Anderson sets new England record

    Former England bowler Darren Gough on Twitter: Well done Jimmy truly deserved, a genius.

    Former England bowler and Lancashire coach Ashley Giles on Twitter: Congratulations to Jimmy A on becoming the greatest. Quite an achievement. Well done Jim from all at Lancashire.

  78. Anderson sets new England record

    Here's a breakdown of Anderson's 384 Test wickets. Now he has the record, we're also going to sprinkle a few of his greatest moments into the last hour.

    James Anderson graphic
  79. Drinks break

    WI 302-7

    Joe Root to bowl the last over before we enter the last hour. He gives it a bit of air but Holder isn't taking the bait, carefully playing from the crease. Time for drinks - when the players return, we'll be into the last hour with 15 overs to be bowled.

  80. Anderson sets new England record

    Previous leading England wicket-taker Sir Ian Botham on Twitter: Great moment for Jimmy and his family..... Congratulations you deserve it .... Awesome !!

  81. WI 302-7 (England need three wickets to win)

    Never mind, Captain Cook has a smile back on his face which has been a rare sight in recent years. Roach is hit on the pad again, the slips are more interested in an lbw appeal. For the last ball, the entire team are within 20 yards of the bat, catching - but Roach pushes the ball back past the bowler and with no fielders anywhere near, he can pick up two.

  82. Anderson sets new England record

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    Alex Haworth: I went to the kitchen to put my dinner in the oven and I've missed Jimmy's big wicket!

    Beth Jakubowski: BBC breaking news alert to my phone about James Anderson. That's the proof you need this is a historic moment.

  83. Anderson sets new England record

    Graeme Swann

    Ex-England spinner

    On Twitter: Brilliant work by Jimmy to surpass Sir Ian Botham as our leading Test bowler. So proud of my mate. Really happy Cooky got the catch too.

  84. WI 300-7

    With no HotSpot or Snicko in the DRS during this series, it's all about old-fashioned camerawork - which shows that the ball brushed Roach's pad rather than his bat. Not out, review lost.

  85. Umpire review

    Roach tries to force Anderson off his legs, England appeal for a catch behind, the umpire's finger is raised but Roach immediately reviews it...

  86. Anderson sets new England record

    Andrew Samson

    BBC Test Match Special statistician

    "It was appropriate that Alastair Cook took that catch, because caught Cook bowled Anderson is England's most prolific combination. That's Cook's 26th catch off Anderson."

  87. WI 300-7 (min 17 overs left)

    Intriguingly, Holder declines a single against Root when he steers the ball through the covers - with the best will in the world, you'd expect a number nine like Roach to survive longer against Root than he would against Anderson? An off-driven four brings up 300 for West Indies, but Root does well to keep Holder down that end from the last two deliveries, so Anderson can target Roach again.

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    Hassan Shah: Go on Jimmy, unbelievable feat! One of the best of our time.

    Paul Cooper: Congratulations to the Burnley Lara. A well deserved milestone, now let's win the Test! Oh Jimmy, Jimmy...

    James Standen: Brilliant performance Jimmy. Had an amazing career and more to come!

  89. Anderson sets new England record

    Andrew Samson

    BBC Test Match Special statistician

    "It was 10,882 days ago that Ian Botham took his 326th Test wicket to pass Bob Willis as England's all-time leading wicket-taker."

  90. WI 296-7 (England need three wickets to win)

    It's a wonderful record for Jimmy - but more importantly for England, one end may be open now. Kemar Roach is the new batsman, but none of the last three lasted too long in the first innings. Roach sees off the rest of the over, getting off the mark with a two to leg as Anderson takes more congratulations.

    England team celebrate James Anderson
  91. Anderson sets new England record

    Michael Vaughan

    Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special

    "What a bowler Jimmy Anderson has been for England - a joy to watch throughout the years. He arrived on the scene with those big booming outswingers and he's turned himself into a real skilful bowler who can get all sorts of wickets. It was a beauty, it bounced off a length."

    Listen to TMS commentary via the audio icon (available in UK only).

    James Anderson
  92. Anderson sets new England record

    Jonathan Agnew

    BBC Test Match Special

    "It's been a slog today to get there, but well done James Anderson. It's been a privilege and pleasure to have watched him take 384 wickets. It was a lovely catch from Cook."

    Alastair Cook
  93. WICKET - Anderson sets new England record

    Ramdin c Cook b Anderson 57 (WI 294-7)

    That's the record! James Anderson finds some bounce in the pitch, induces an outside edge from Denesh Ramdin, the Windies skipper nicks it to slip where his opposite number Alastair Cook takes the catch diving to his left. It sparks wild scenes of celebrations - while his parents, who have been watching all game, embrace in their hospitality box.

    James Anderson is now England's leading Test wicket-taker - his 384 victims overtaking Sir Ian Botham's 383.

    James Anderson
  94. WI 294-6 (min 19 overs left)

    It's at times like this I start remembering things I've heard earlier in the game - like "England have never won a Test in Antigua"... the tourists turn back to the part-time off-spin of Joe "Goldenarm" Root, who broke two crucial stands earlier in the innings by removing Devon Smith and Shivnarine Chanderpaul. Ramdin slog-sweeps a four, but there are encouraging signs as Root spins a couple past the outside edge. We're four overs away from the last hour...

  95. Join the debate at #bbccricket

    Jack Allum: Same old defensive rubbish from Cook. We don't need a single boundary fielder, get everyone in closer.

    Alan Compton: What's with having fielders on the rope? Catches win matches!

  96. Post update

    Michael Vaughan

    Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special

    "I think Adil Rashid may get a chance in Grenada. If the pitch is like this, you don't need four seamers, and you don't need three off-spinners in James Tredwell, Moeen Ali and Joe Root."

  97. WI 289-6 (England need four wickets to win)

    A bit of a delay while Anderson runs back out. If I were an England fan at the ground, I'd be trying anything here, just like Michael suggests - go for a walk round the ground, for instance. (I maintain that going for an ice-cream at Lord's in 2013 produced a flurry of Aussie wickets including Michael Clarke). Holder leaves anything he doesn't have to play at, Jimmy is giving it everything but it ain't going England's way.

  98. Post update

    Michael Vaughan

    Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special

    "I used to try anything as captain to try and change the course of the match. I'd go off the field and hope I heard the roar of a wicket when I was in the toilet."

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  99. WI 289-6 (min 21 overs left)

    Plenty of applause - from fans of both teams - as Holder pushes Tredwell for a jogged single to bring up the century stand from 177 balls. England need to keep up the intensity here, or this victory will slip away from them.

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    Comedian and cricket writer Andy Zaltzman: This is just eighth time in Test history (and the first by West Indies) that two batsmen at seven or lower have scored fifties in the fourth innings of a match.

  101. Scorecard update

    West Indies 288-6 (108 overs) - target 438

    Batsmen: Ramdin 52*, Holder 61*

    Fall of wickets: 7-1 (Brathwaite 5), 90-2 (Bravo 32), 119-3 (Smith 65), 127-4 (Samuels 23), 155-5 (Chanderpaul 13), 189-6 (Blackwood 31)

    Bowling figures: Anderson 19-2-60-1, Broad 18-4-56-1, Tredwell 34-13-73-1, Jordan 17-6-41-1, Stokes 11-0-41-0, Root 9-4-13-2

    England 399 & 333-7 dec; West Indies 295

    Full scorecard

  102. WI 288-6 (Ramdin 52*, Holder 61*)

    Indeed, a long-ish Jordan spell (seven overs either side of tea) is ended as James Anderson returns at the Ambrose End - still level with Sir Ian Botham on 383 Test wickets and needing one more for the outright record. Two slips and three catchers in front of the wicket, but Holder adds a single and Ramdin's defence holds firm. Anderson sprints off at the end of the over - seemingly for a comfort break - and is temporarily replaced by 12th man Adam Lyth.

  103. WI 287-6 (min 23 overs left)

    Tredwell begins his 34th over of the innings - his 60th of the match - and Michael Vaughan isn't happy at England's field, with a man positioned on the point boundary even though West Indies need more than 150 more. Just a single added. Time for another Anderson burst?

  104. Post update

    Geoffrey Boycott

    Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    "Holder hasn't been unsettled by anything, spin or seam. So how would I get him out of that comfort zone? I might put two men back and bounce him."

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  105. WI 286-6 (target 438)

    Oh, that's a lovely shot - Holder stands tall (not difficult when you're 6ft 7ins) and punches Jordan through the covers for four off the back foot. There's still a short mid-on in place as Holder adds a single to move to 59. He's a little ahead of his captain, who fluently flicks a two to fine leg to move to 52.

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    Proviamo Vino: How many tailenders did Rashid get out last season?

    China Dave: They're gonna bat through here, I can feel it in my waters!

  107. Post update

    Geoffrey Boycott

    Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    "Both batsmen deserve a half-century. They've played very well indeed, very composed. But England are still in it: they just need to keep thinking, four balls."

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  108. 50 for Ramdin

    WI 279-6

    The chastened Ramdin helps himself to a single off his legs to bring up his 13th Test fifty. This stand is now worth 90.

    The first innings suggested that one more wicket might open up the door to the rabbit hutch, but England need to crack this pair first. Which they've not done in 24.5 overs.

  109. WI 278-6

    ...and it's a no-ball, so they don't even check the ball-tracker (which later shows it would have been umpire's call for clipping leg stump). The old-fashioned amongst us might ask why the on-field umpire didn't call "no-ball" at point of delivery - but apparently England don't lose their review over a no-ball. A mite fortunate to do so?

  110. Umpire review

    Ramdin comes across his stumps and is hit on the pad by Jordan... Not out is the call. But England haven't used a review all day so Captain Cook makes the "T" signal with his arms.

  111. Post update

    Ed Smith

    Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    "The pitch is looking really placid now. This stand is just starting to make England edgy."

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  112. WI 277-6 (min 27 overs left)

    Holder and Ramdin help themselves to two singles against Tredwell.

  113. Join the debate at #bbccricket

    Alan Compton: If only England had a genuine pace bowler avaliable for selection... A Mitchell Johnson, a Dale Steyn, a Liam Plunkett...

    VB: Maybe West Indies would be nearing victory but on a flat pitch you need to make them play at the ball. Risk vs Reward.

  114. WI 275-6 (target 438)

    We have two young men from Barbados in opposition as Jordan bowls to Holder, with three slips in. There's a grin or two exchanged between the two Bajans, but despite a good line and length from Jordan - who strays with a no-ball - it's Holder who prevails for now.

  115. Post update

    Andrew Samson

    BBC Test Match Special statistician

    "Jason Holder has equalled his highest first-class score of 52, which he made on his Test debut last year against New Zealand at Bridgetown."

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  116. 50 for Jason Holder

    WI 273-6

    Off-spinner James Tredwell to continue from the Sir Andy Roberts End. The tall Jason Holder pushes a four through the covers to bring up his fifty - but there's a heart-in-mouth moment for the young right-hander when a ball spins past his defensive prod and scoots past the keeper as they run a bye.

  117. Text 81111

    Scott in Carnoustie: Lapses in concentration after intervals have been an issue for the hosts in recent years and will be again tonight. England still to win.

  118. WI 268-6 (min 30 overs left)

    Windies captain Denesh Ramdin easily sees off a maiden over from Jordan, rejecting a risky single and ducking a bouncer off the last.

    To explain, it's effectively a session of two halves. The fielding side can try to get as many overs in as they can, should they wish, before we formally enter the last hour of play. From there, West Indies are guaranteed to face a minimum of 15 overs. Once we're into the last 15, both sides can - should they wish - shake hands on a draw at any time. But I'd say that's unlikely to happen unless this pair get through to the last over.

  119. Post update

    Geoffrey Boycott

    Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    "The game is exactly as I thought it would be - six wickets down at tea. These two batsmen have played awesomely. They've not been in any trouble at all. If you were a West Indian, you'd be pleased by the common sense they've shown, compared to the suicide shots earlier."

  120. Post update

    Thanks, James. Your failure to "take" more than one wicket in that session has been added to the data, and will shortly be available for Peter Moores.

    Back in the real world, Chris Jordan is going to start the last session for England. A minimum of 31 overs left.

  121. Post update

    Time for me to hand you back to Mark Mitchener for the evening session...

  122. Anderson equals Botham's England record

    Text 81111

    Sean, LHR: When Jimmy claims the record outright, do we think it will stand for as long as Beefy's did? I think it'll stand for longer!

  123. Email tms@bbc.co.uk

    Andy in Redhill: England should learn from this Test series & be sure to schedule future series whilst the IPL/BigBash is on & the opposition's best players are elsewhere.

    Kevin in sunny Toronto: The declaration is perfect. Windies need five an over to win, if they were interested in a good match five an over is doable… but risky. Aussies would go for it.

    Elliot, Brighton: To those criticising the declaration, the bowlers have been given 130 overs to bowl them out. That should be ample time.

  124. Post update

    Sir Viv Richards

    Ex-West Indies captain on BBC Test Match Special

    "The future for West Indies cricket holds good with people like Holder, you can start a rebuilding process around individuals like that. He's an orthodox, correct-looking player."

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  125. Post update

    Tony Cozier

    BBC Test Match Special

    What has happened to former West Indies pace bowler Daren Powell?

    "He's gone into rural politics in Jamaica. I expect that will be a step towards national politics."

    Powell played 37 Tests between 2002 and 2009. His last first-class action was playing for Lancashire as a Kolpak player in 2010.

  126. Email tms@bbc.co.uk

    Tim in Warrington: This kind of pitch shows how much we are missing an out and out pace bowler like a Steyn or Morkel. We need someone who hurl down 95mph rocks at the batsman's toes. Jordan and Stokes just don't cut it.

    KR in California: So if England had declared, say, 10 overs earlier, thus not scoring an extra 75 runs. West Indies would now be 100 away from winning and with over 40 overs to win. To all the members of the Hindsight CC, back in your box and get behind your team!

  127. Tea scorecard

    West Indies 268-6 (99 overs) - target 438

    Batsmen: Ramdin 48*, Holder 48*

    Fall of wickets: 7-1 (Brathwaite 5), 90-2 (Bravo 32), 119-3 (Smith 65), 127-4 (Samuels 23), 155-5 (Chanderpaul 13), 189-6 (Blackwood 31)

    Bowling figures: Anderson 18-2-59-1, Broad 18-4-56-1, Tredwell 30-12-66-1, Jordan 13-5-30-1, Stokes 11-0-41-0, Root 9-4-13-2

    England 399 & 333-7 dec; West Indies 295

    Full scorecard

  128. Tea interval

    WI 268-6

    Jason Holder is looking serene out there, he larrups Tredwell through the covers for four, blocks out three dots, and that's tea. What a terrific fightback by West Indies.

  129. Post update

    Sir Viv Richards

    Ex-West Indies captain on BBC Test Match Special

    "Fast bowling takes its toll. I've seen Jeff Thomson and Dennis Lillee recently, they're both walking a bit crooked now. Andy Roberts has had operations on both knees. But Courtney Walsh isn't looking too bad."

  130. WI 263-6

    These two have soaked up almost 18 overs now, and there are 33 left for England to force a result. The demob happy atmosphere at lunch has been replaced by authentic tension - this match is firmly in the balance. Holder punches the flagging Jordan back down the ground for four. "One chance, one mistake here, boys," chirps Jos Buttler - but where is it coming from?

  131. Text 81111

    Tattz in Oldbury: We need a wicket so why not get our strike bowler Joe Root on?

    Toby FG in London: Without wishing to demean Jimmy's superb bowling achievement, in order to truly equal Sir Ian he also needs to score 14 Test hundreds. 14!

  132. WI 257-6 (target 438)

    Tredwell, wearing that familiar rictus of grim concentration, twirls away. Ramdin is strong outside his off stump and he unfurls a nice cut shot for four to deepen England's frustration.

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    George Curwen: To the people slating England's declaration timing, a lot of balls are still to be bowled. Let's wait til close before you judge.

    MixItNFixItMan: Clearly this is a batter's track, errors lead to wickets, pressure the batsman and bouncers get on the yorkers already!

  134. WI 253-6 (Ramdin 42*, Holder 39*)

    Ben Stokes, his enormous tattooed guns holstered for the time being, chews his fingernails ruminatively at slip as Jordan runs in again. It's line-and-length, top-of-off fare, and at the moment, it's just not working. Ramdin ends a run of dot balls with a clip off his hips.

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    Sandy Tittershill: I can feel the tantrums of those with a football mentality creeping in. A bit more patience and we should be OK.

    Neil in (sunny) BC, Canada: Time to bring on "Goldenarm" Root again. Then Jimmy.

    Julian, Surrey: Stop criticising the declaration. Firstly it's not Cook's decision alone so don't always blame him. Secondly Strauss was generally less generous but we had more firepower in the bowling. But we'll still win anyway. Calm down people!

  136. WI 252-6

    Could James Tredwell be England's hero? He's given the hard new ball to see if he can extract a bit of purchase from this unresponsive track. It's a good start from the off-spinner: an accurate, probing maiden.

  137. Join the debate at #bbccricket

    johnny12345 (and others): Can someone remind VB (19:08) that 150 runs less really puts WI in this game with victory in sight.

    Mark Jones: Is it just me having the recurring nightmare of Viv Richards and Clive Lloyd coming out to club Windies to victory in 20 overs?

  138. WI 252-6 (minimum 36 overs left)

    As we suspected, Stuart Broad is out of the attack - Chris Jordan is recalled to try and make the breakthrough. He's a good death bowler in one-day cricket, will he try to sneak in a toe-crushing yorker? Not yet, but he does keep Denesh Ramdin honest - a maiden.

  139. Post update

    Sir Viv Richards

    Ex-West Indies captain on BBC Test Match Special

    "This is a chance for Ramdin to make some amends. If he could save this match, it would give them great confidence. Jason Holder is going to be a wonderful all-rounder for West Indies - not just the wickets, he's going to get runs too."

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  140. WI 252-6 (target 438)

    Ben Stokes is full of honest, back-bending endeavour with the ball, but he does he have the magic delivery in his locker that will break this partnership? Jason Holder, whose 39 runs have come at a decent clip, collects another four with a steer through gully.

  141. Post update

    Michael Vaughan

    Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special

    "I just think England missed a trick not playing Rashid so they could look to see what a young leg-spinner was like on a fifth-day pitch. Do you need Root, Ali and Tredwell in a team? I think not. With two spinners, you need the leg-spinner. Do they need four seamers in Grenada?"

    Tony Cozier adds: "I think West Indies will bring in their leg-spinner, Bishoo."

  142. WI 247-6 (Ramdin 40*, Holder 34*)

    Sulieman Benn is looking pretty relaxed on the West Indies balcony: shades on, big bare feet perched casually on the balcony rail. He couldn't be cooler if he was cryogenically frozen. Stuart Broad, surely nearing the end of his spell, toils through another wicketless over.

  143. Join the debate at #bbccricket

    Mike Smith: Anyone thought about bowling a yorker - apparently not yet.

    VB: Once again England park the bus, get 150 more runs than necessary and run out of time bowling at them. Drawing mindset.

  144. WI 245-6 (minimum 39 overs left)

    Kerry, you're free to go. Jimmy Anderson is hooked, the record will have to wait. The broad-backed Ben Stokes is into the attack. Batting is starting to look easy though - Holder glances Stokes down to the fine leg boundary to bring up the 50 partnership, then Ramdin pockets another four with a crisp drive down the ground.

  145. Scorecard update

    West Indies 236-6 (90 overs) - target 438

    Batsmen: Ramdin 35*, Holder 29*

    Fall of wickets: 7-1 (Brathwaite 5), 90-2 (Bravo 32), 119-3 (Smith 65), 127-4 (Samuels 23), 155-5 (Chanderpaul 13), 189-6 (Blackwood 31)

    Bowling figures: Anderson 18-2-59-1, Broad 17-4-54-1, Tredwell 27-11-57-1, Jordan 10-4-23-1, Stokes 9-0-27-0, Root 9-4-13-2

    England 399 & 333-7 dec; West Indies 295

    Full scorecard

  146. Join the debate at #bbccricket

    Kerry Thomas: Hurry up, Jimmy. I've got to go out.

  147. WI 236-6 (target 438)

    England will reckon they really only need one more wicket to expose the soft underbelly of this West Indies side, but at the moment continues to prove frustratingly elusive. Broad, who has looked plenty more threatening than Anderson, draws an edge from Holder with a really well directed delivery, but the ball lands short and trickles away for four. Joe Root's under the helmet at short leg now, time to revert to Operation Short Ball?

    Stuart Broad
  148. Join the debate at #bbccricket

    James Cole: I can't make any case for thinking this England attack will bowl Australia out this summer.

    Matt Crossman: Been watching on and off all day, wickets happened on the rare occasion I've been off the couch. For Jimmy's good I'm off out!

    Iain Sharp: Going to predict that Jimmy gets the last wicket to win the match. #kingjim

  149. WI 231-6 (Ramdin 35*, Holder 24*)

    Anderson continues. Holder guides him down to backward point for three. Tenterhooks...

  150. Post update

    Michael Vaughan

    Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special

    "Good luck Phil Simmons with this lot... I'm all for positive cricket, but when you're trying to save the match, you take away those risky shots when there's two men out on the hook. No-one in the world can defend dancing down the wicket for a yahoo like Blackwood did, just before the new ball."

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  151. Email tms@bbc.co.uk

    Lizzie, Sheffield: For Anderson's record wicket, surely all that's needed is Vaughan to say how well Ramdin or Holder are batting...

  152. WI 226-6 (minimum 42 overs left)

    It's hard going out there for England, which really only accentuates the folly of some of those West Indian dismissals. And out of nothing, Jason Holder so nearly joins the Hall of Infamy. He pulls Stuart Broad in the air and is mighty relieved to see the ball land just beyond the clutches of the onrushing Jonathan Trott.

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    Andy Shaw: Come on Jimmy. Get your wicket before I get home and I can hear it happen.

    David: Come on Broady bend your back there is a Test match to be won!

  154. WI 222-6 (target 438)

    Peter Moores sneaks a quick glance at his laptop on the England balcony. Checking the dreaded data? Let's be more charitable: perhaps he's doing a spot of online shopping, or updating his fantasy football team ahead of the weekend fixtures.

    Back on the pitch, Jason Holder times Anderson sweetly through the covers for four.

  155. Join the debate at #bbccricket

    Kev mcveigh: Seeing those shots from Smith and Blackwood to get out, when the team needs them, reminds me of KP.

    Adam Wheeler: Blackwood had a brainstorm. One way to overshadow a maiden ton.

  156. Post update

    If you missed the lunchtime discussion between Aggers and his panel of journalists (John Etheridge, Dean Wilson and Simon Wilde), you can hear it again on the TMS podcast page.

  157. Drinks break

    WI 217-6

    Jason Holder has got the right idea - dealing in singles rather than fours, not trying to overhit his shots. He's a very capable batsman, as he showed at the World Cup, albeit in almost the opposite scenario. He does find the boundary for the first time but it's a very controlled, safe shot, flicked elegantly over midwicket for four. Not an awful lot going on for the bowlers at the moment, as we pause for drinks.

  158. Post update

    Jonathan Agnew

    BBC Test Match Special

    "Anyone in any club match, any village game, trying to save the match against your local rivals who got out playing a shot like Blackwood did, would be getting a penalty like getting the first round in."

  159. Join the debate at #bbccricket

    derrybannister: Can't we drop Jordan and bring back Tim Bresnan, who is by far the better bowler? More pace and swing than Jordan.

  160. WI 211-6 (Ramdin 30*, Holder 9*)

    Anderson hasn't quite got it right yet in this second spell, and when he strays he allows Holder to flick him down to long leg. On we go...

  161. Post update

    Graeme Swann

    Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "I think Moeen Ali will walk straight back into the team after his performances last summer, but it'd be a harsh call on Tredwell."

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  162. Join the debate at #bbccricket

    Samuel Cardwell: Swann sounds like he's trying to talk Agnew down from the ledge after that Blackwood dismissal.

    Mark: I think if the great Richie is on commentary up there he will be calling Blackwood's shot a complete schmozzel.

    Sian Lacey Taylder: If you'd said, back in 1980, that 35 years on Windies would fold before an ordinary England side, I'd have laughed in your face.

  163. WI 208-6 (target 438)

    Stuart Broad, who has been by Jimmy Anderson's side for so many of his great moments, shares the new ball. Anderson shows that his mind's still on the job with a good stop at mid-on, but he can't block the next shot from Denesh Ramdin, punched authoritatively down the ground for four.

  164. Scorecard update

    West Indies 201-6 (83 overs) - target 438

    Batsmen: Ramdin 26*, Holder 4*

    Fall of wickets: 7-1 (Brathwaite 5), 90-2 (Bravo 32), 119-3 (Smith 65), 127-4 (Samuels 23), 155-5 (Chanderpaul 13), 189-6 (Blackwood 31)

    Bowling figures: Anderson 15-2-47-1, Broad 13-4-32-1, Tredwell 27-11-57-1, Jordan 10-4-23-1, Stokes 9-0-27-0, Root 9-4-13-2

    England 399 & 333-7 dec; West Indies 295

    Full scorecard

  165. WI 201-6 (minimum 47 overs left)

    Everybody ready...record-chaser James Anderson is back into the attack, carrying in his illustrious hands the shiny new ball. Cameramen hurry to get into position for the money shot. Historians wait, quill