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Summary

  1. England's fourth heaviest Test defeat (runs)
  2. Hosts bowled out in 37 overs - target 509
  3. Johnson 3-27, Hazlewood 2-20, Lyon 2-27
  4. Stokes run out without grounding bat
  5. Five-Test series level at 1-1

Live Reporting

By Stephan Shemilt and Marc Higginson

All times stated are UK

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  1. Post update

    I think that sums it up rather nicely, don't you?

    Still, don't forget this series is still level at 1-1. And I seem to recall that England were thrashed at Lord's a decade ago, before going on to Edgbaston. That turned out to be quite a good game.

    We go again a week on Wednesday. See you then.

  2. How stat?!

    Wisden editor Lawrence Booth: Australia in that Test were twice as good as England with both bat and ball: 820 for 10 wickets plays 415 for 20.

  3. Post update

    I've got a doozie of a stat for us to finish on...

  4. Text 81111

    Chris Whelan: Any other sport a team is picked based on form. Iif a player is out of form they get dropped. No one should be picked based on merit because that will simply not win a match. With this new brand of cricket Hales is a must.

  5. Join the debate at #bbccricket

    Chris Hawkins: Bairstow has scored another ton - he's not just knocking on the door he is smashing it down.

    Ali Thomson: To all these people saying Bairstow should be back in the team, remember, he can't play the short ball.

  6. Post update

    Geoffrey Boycott

    Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    "Three positions are a problem: opening batsman, Ian Bell and the spinning department. You can add Gary Ballance. But the problem is, who do you put in their place? You have to ask whether a player has the ability to go up a gear and match the higher quality of international cricket. I can't come up with any great names.

    "My instinct tells me England will ponder it for a few days and then come up with exactly the same team. They're not sure who to put in. Ian Bell will be playing on his home ground anyway. I'm not saying I'm happy about that, but England don't like changing."

  7. Ireland reach World T20

    Here's some slightly better news... Ireland have joined Scotland in qualifying for the World T20 in India next year. Ireland top Group A of the qualifier after beating Jersey by seven wickets in Malahide earlier and were assured of top spot when Namibia lost to Hong Kong. Scotland qualified by topping Group B. Despite being guaranteed a place at the World T20 proper, both Ireland and Scotland continue to take part in the qualifier. Both advance to the semi-final stage.

  8. Player reaction

    Mitchell Johnson

    Australia bowler Mitchell Johnson, on Sky Sports: "We're very happy with the result. The good thing about this Test is that we played well in partnerships, both bowling and batting.

    "To end the game like that was unbelievable. We've been bowling well as a group for a while. The first Test woke us up a bit and seeing more bounce here fired us up.

    "It was a flat wicket but there was more bounce there than at Cardiff. We were able to use the conditions with the new, hard ball. The pitch quickened up as it went on."

  9. Post update

    Geoffrey Boycott

    Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    "In the early spells by Johnson and Starc, batsmen were playing injudicious shots - flirting outside off stump in a situation where we were trying to save the match. Ian Bell played and missed, Joe Root was hit on the head hooking second ball. We don't seem to be switched on to trying to bat five sessions."

  10. How's stat?!

  11. Post update

    Jim Maxwell

    BBC Test Match Special

    Ian Bell loses his wicket

    "It could be interpreted as a seismic blow. It had the look of what happened in Australia 18 months ago, when Australia swarmed all over England. England just couldn't get out of it - it was a strangulation, a capitulation."

  12. Man of the match

    Australia's Steve Smith: "It was a good wicket. We started well on day one and my partnership with Chris Rogers put us into a good position and we kicked on from there. I was keen to do well here. I haven't had a good run with the bat here at Lord's. It was nice to get some big runs. I feel good at the crease at the moment. I have to be patient, watch the ball closely and make the bowlers come to me, where I want them to bowl."

  13. Man of the match

    BBC Radio Test Match Special

    Man of the match Steve Smith on TMS: "The guys came out with a lot of steam. The bowlers were aggressive and put the ball in some really uncomfortable areas for their batsmen.

    "Cardiff was a big wake-up call for us, and this game we dominated from day one and we didn't let England back in. Being top of the player rankings doesn't bother me, the most important thing is contributing to winning games of cricket for this team. It's very satisfying to bounce back the way we have, but we know that England are going to come back strongly."

  14. Post update

    In the England dressing-room, batting coach Mark Ramprakash is deep in conversation with Gary Ballance. During the match, players and staff are not allowed their phones to guard against corruption. They have them back now and most are engrossed in the little screens.

  15. Vote result

    Vote results
  16. Join the debate at #bbccricket

    Ali Thomson: To all these people saying Bairstow should be back in the team, remember, he can't play the short ball.

    Chris Hawkins: Bairstow has scored another ton he's not just knocking on the door he is smashing it down.

  17. Captain's view

    BBC Radio Test Match Special

    Australia captain Michael Clarke on TMS: "The way we turned our performance around for Cardiff shows the talent and the hunger of this team.

    "I don't think the toss played too much of a part, but we started the game really well.

    "We're 1-1 in a five-match series, so we're going to have to keep playing our best. The boys executed really well with both bat and ball. Mitch has done exactly what we knew he'd do, he's had a really good start back into the team."

  18. England's heaviest defeats against Australia (by runs)

    Australia
    • 562 at The Oval, 1934
    • 409 at Lord's, 1948
    • 405 at Lord's, 2015
    • 384 at Brisbane, 2002
    • 382 at Adelaide, 1894-95
    • 381 at Brisbane, 2013
  19. Email tms@bbc.co.uk

    Lee Bird in Devon: I hope Trevor Bayliss locks the team somewhere in Lord's and points out every single weakness and mistake they've made. No-one leaves until they've watched the video. Take it on the chin and come back for the next Test with some aggression and bottle.

  20. Captain's view

    More from Michael Clarke: "That's the advantage of having Mitchell Johnson. He's so fit and a great athlete. We have asses the wicket and game situation. The rest of the attack allowed Mitch to do that.

    "Chris Rogers is still getting checked now. He probably thinks we cost him a hundred today.

    "I'd like to be 2-0 up, but will accept where we are now. We have to 100% ready to go for the third Test."

  21. Captain's view

    Australia captain Michael Clarke: "I couldn't have asked for a better performance. The intent from our batsmen through the second innings was great and the execution from the bowlers was spot on."

    "We didn't really talk too much about Cardiff. Our focus was playing our best cricket here. We didn't play our best there, but now we can look in the mirror and say we played some good cricket here.

    "Mitchell Marsh played really well. He showed how much of a team player he is. He took two crucial wickets in the first innings. credit to the selectors for going with their gut. It was hard on Watto, but the selectors have to work out the best 11 for each game."

  22. Post update

    Geoffrey Boycott

    Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    "I didn't see it coming. This is good a pitch as you'll ever get to save a Test on and I thought they could take it tomorrow afternoon. It should have been easy to defend and stay in.

    "Some of the batting was pretty poor and the attitude to saving the game was poor. Ballance doesn't look comfortable - he seems so stuck and rigid on the back foot. We helped Australia blow us away."

  23. Post update

    Jonathan Agnew

    BBC Test Match Special

    Alastair Cook

    "Australia couldn't have dominated any more from the moment they won the toss."

  24. Captain's view

    England captain Alastair Cook: "To not back up our win at Cardiff is incredibly frustrating. Credit to Australia, they put us under pressure and we weren't able to deal with it. We didn't bowl with the same discipline and control. Over the last few games, we have been three down for 40-odd and that is an area of concern.

    "We have to take this on the chin. Now it's about the character we need to show to bounce back. We came up short this week. I don't think it's about where people bat, it's down to the players, they just have to get stuck in. You've seen over the last eight days that the side which gets on top stays on top. I want a good, old English wicket at Edgbaston."

  25. Join the debate at #bbccricket

    Joshua Baxter: The Bayliss honeymoon has come to a crashing end. The magnitude of his job has now become painfully clear.

    Andy Field: Superb effort by England, managing to play that badly over the whole Lord's test.

    Rich Harrison: England batsmen are simply scared stiff of aggressive bowling and can't deal with it. Embarrassing.

  26. Captain's reaction

    BBC Radio Test Match Special

    More from Alastair Cook on TMS: "Backing up a win is something we haven't been able to do the last four times, which is incredibly frustrating. You can jump to all kinds of conclusions, but it's 1-1 - I can't quite work out why we didn't back up Cardiff but we have a few days off and we come to Edgbaston and we've got to show some character."

  27. Post update

    England, by the way, have now lost 10 of their last 20 Test matches, winning only six.

  28. Post update

    Geoffrey Boycott

    Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    Mick Hunt

    "Mick Hunt has been preparing great cricket pitches for a number of years with more pace than this and I don't believe Alastair Cook. I think they want slow pitches to negate the two Australian fast bowlers but it's negating the English bowlers instead.

    "If you have fast bowlers, you have a better chance of getting people out on good, batting pitches because they are quicker through the air."

  29. Captain's reaction

    BBC Radio Test Match Special

    Alastair Cook

    England captain Alastair Cook on TMS: "It was a very disappointing day. It's sunk in, when you get bowled out for 100, it isn't good enough. It's frustrating not being able to match the standards we set at Cardiff.

    "Credit to Australia for getting ahead of the game and never letting us back in. We haven't asked for wickets to be like this, we want good English wickets with a little bit in them.

    "But at the end of the day that's absolutely irrelevant because both sides play on the same wicket and if you're outplayed in all three aspects of the game, you're not going to win."

  30. Join the debate at #bbccricket

    Kendall: Bairstow sneezing centuries at the moment, has to come in for the next test.

    Nick: Woeful from England cricket team. Gone from convincingly beating Australia to being humiliated in the next test.

  31. Player view

    Australia all-rounder Mitchell Marsh on Sky Sports: "You always hope for things like that to happen but it was fantastic. We were keen to bounce back after that first Test. Johnno's spells were as hostile as you will get in Test cricket."

  32. Post update

    Glenn McGrath

    BBC Test Match Special

    "I thought England might have shown a bit more fight. They just capitulated. They'll take a lot of scars into the next game. Mitchell Johnson looked lethal out there. The new blokes brought a lot of energy - Peter Nevill had a great first Test match, Mitchell Marsh had an incredible match.

    "Potentially, there are changes to be made for England. Ballance has struggled a fair bit and Bell is under pressure. But the first thing is to produce a good cricket wicket and back your team."

  33. It begins...

  34. Player view

    Australia bowler Josh Hazlewood, speaking to Sky Sports: "We worked hard in the first innings. We bowled in the right areas again. Mitchell Johnson bowled some hostile spells for us and opened it up for us. He bowled superbly."

  35. Final scorecard

    Scorecard
  36. Join the debate at #bbccricket

    Will Moody: I expect a 4-1 series thrashing if England don't improve their batting for the next match. Nothing but pathetic today.

    Adrian Clarke: That is a drubbing the England team of my early 90s childhood would be proud of.

    Chris Ivory: Talent, yes. Guts, fight, implementation, and pride, none. What happened since Cardiff? Heads need cracking together.

  37. Post update

    Geoffrey Boycott

    Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    "If it was a boxing match we would have got knocked out in the first round. We got knocked down and we stayed down. We never made a fight of it. Before we started this series, we knew we had a problem with opening bat, we knew we had a problem with the spinner and we knew that Bell was in poor form. There aren't that many people queueing up who say 'Pick me, I've got a bit of class.' Who is the player who stands out as a top opener, a top spinner, a replacement for Bell? If you're honest, it's not too easy."

  38. Post update

    Where does this Ashes series go from here? To highlight the importance of this win for Australia, 13 of the last 14 Ashes series have been won by the team that won the second Test. We're effectively into a three-match series, but Australia have both the momentum and the benefit of being Ashes holders. England have it all to do before Edgbaston next week.

  39. 2015 Ashes level at 1-1

    Australia players leave the field

    Australia are led off the pitch by Steve Smith, the England players are down the stairs to shake hands. The Aussie staff are in the Long Room, greeting their players. Some turnaround from a week ago. Just looking at the England scorecard, Stuart Broad top-scored with 25. Says it all.

  40. Post update

    Geoffrey Boycott

    Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    "I'm absolutely amazed. Terrific performance by Australia but if you're in the England dressing room you've got to ask yourself what the hell went on. There was no pace, bounce or spin in the pitch. You wouldn't get a much better pitch than this to save a Test match on. The sun was shining. They just had to stay in, be mentally strong and take the sting out of the bowling. They should have been able to take it into tomorrow afternoon. It's extraordinary to get bowled out like that. Some of the batting was really, really poor."

  41. Post update

    Jim Maxwell

    BBC Test Match Special

    Australia players celebrate

    "There could not be a more comprehensive victory. Australia have won in the most spectacular way."

  42. Australia win by 405 runs

    Anderson b Hazlewood 0 (Eng 103 all out)

    James Anderson

    All over in the splattering of James Anderson's stumps. Australia win by 405 runs, their third biggest win in terms of runs in Ashes history. England, so buoyant after Cardiff, have been humiliated at Lord's. The Aussies stand in the middle and applaud their fans. They have conquered the home of cricket.

  43. Eng 103-9

    To put the difference between the teams into perspective, Australia are 820-10 in this match. England are 415-19. Maybe if England had another two innings, they would get to parity. I don't know how true this is, but there's rumours the Aussie fielders have said to Anderson "beer afterwards, Jimmy?"

  44. Join the debate at #bbccricket

    Joe Root

    Nick Hunt: England have been totally outclassed.

    David White: No pride shown in wearing the three lions. Long hard looks in the mirror needed.

    Fergus Fraser Hafter: RIP English cricket.

  45. Eng 102-9 (Aus need 1 wicket)

    As it stands, this would be England's third-largest defeat in terms of runs against Australia. Still sunny at Lord's, the beautiful picture totally at odds to the carnage of the last 36 overs. How long ago does the win at Cardiff seem? England have been spooked by Mitchell Johnson once more. Who could galvanise this team?

  46. Eng 101-9 (Aus need 1 wicket)

    James Anderson walks to the crease as I'm told one bookie has England 16-1 to win this match. Are you kidding? I'd want about 160,000-1 and even then I'd say it was stingy.

  47. WICKET

    Root b Hazlewood 17 (Eng 101-9)

    Josh Hazlewood

    Start the car. Josh Hazlewood into the attack, ball keeps a little low, Joe Root's off stump pegged back. The demolition of the timbers not unlike the steamrolling Australia have done to England in this match. Root can barely drag himself off the pitch. He looks distraught.

  48. WICKET

    Broad c Voges b Lyon 25 (Eng 101-8)

    Stuart Broad

    It's hard to blame Stuart Broad, because those above him are more culpable, but this is still something of a surrender. In the same over hitting Nathan Lyon for a straight six, Broad plays a horrible waft to find Adam Voges at cover. One one hand, there's nothing wrong with the number playing some shots, but there's a time and a place.

  49. Post update

    Ed Smith

    Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    Mitchell Johnson and Joe Root

    "I can scarcely remember an innings where a wicket looked less likely to fall than Australia's innings. I can scarcely remember an innings where wickets looked more likely to fall than this England innings."

  50. Eng 91-7 (32 overs left in the day)

    It's no stretch of the imagination to say this Test match has almost been like watching two different sports. Australia bat, a wicket as rare as hen's teeth. England bat, the gate on the boundary replaced with a revolving door. Root still battling, hooking Johnson for four.

  51. Join the debate at #bbccricket

    Michael Inch: And Broad in 7 balls is England's highest run scorer, what a shambles!

    Phil Gilman: Think we might have to burn the stumps after this horrendous surrender.

    Sally Smith: Rabbits in headlights... intimidated by the scoreboard and pure panic from some of the team.

  52. Eng 87-7 (Aus need 3 wickets)

    Stuart Broad is flashing the blade, adding a touch of, well, not respectability. Something. Nathan Lyon's off-breaks, Broad looking to carve anything that moves through the off side. A decent result for Broad, he's given Root the strike for Johnson's next over.

  53. Join the debate at #bbccricket

    Tom Ferry: Compton, Taylor, Footitt in, Lyth, Bell and Anderson (no show!) out. Ballance stays as there isn't anyone else!

    Steven F Galloway: I'd put Moeen Ali in to open with Cook and Rashid at 8, drop Lyth, and scour the country for anyone called Mitchell.

  54. Eng 82-7 (target 509)

    Mitchell Johnson celebrates

    Remember the winter of 2013-14? The terror every time Johnson got the ball in hand, expecting a wicket when he stood at the end of his run? Thought he was stuffed on slow English decks? Think again. This is raw, hostile, nasty fast bowling. Prowling run, low arm, spitting short ball at 88mph that almost amputates Stuart Broad's arm.

  55. Falling like dominoes

  56. Join the debate at #bbccricket

    Mitchell Johnson

    Gordon Thursfield: What did Johnson have for tea? Raw meat sandwiches swigged down with diesel?

  57. Eng 70-7 (Aus need three wickets)

    Selection can be about timing and you often become a batter player when you're out of the team. Step forward Jonny Bairstow, who has just completed another hundred for Yorkshire. His mate Joe Root, eyewitness to the carnage, remains in the middle, pulling Nathan Lyon for four. Now Stuart Broad must face up to Mitchell Johnson.

  58. Eng 64-7 (Johnson 8-2-11-3)

    Mercifully for England, the Johnson over is done. Looking again, Moeen was completely done for pace, thinking about hooking, then not really doing anything. We've said this pitch was dead, that the bowlers could get nothing from it. Well, England's bowlers got nothing and their batsmen are 445 runs short of what Australia got after the tourists declared twice. Bad batting, unthreatening bowling? Both?

  59. Post update

    Jonathan Agnew

    BBC Test Match Special

    "It's such a tame dismissal. It was a poor shot, the field was telling him what delivery he was going to get. If you take that shot on, there's only ever going to be one winner."

  60. WICKET

    Moeen c sub (S Marsh) b Johnson 0 (Eng 64-7)

    Moeen Ali

    So tell me about this plan to nullify Mitchell Johnson with a dead pitch? Because, right now, his fire and brimstone is sending England over the edge like lemmings off a cliff. Short and hostile to Moeen Ali, a fend to the waiting hands of short leg. It's that simple. Johnson has two in the first over after tea and England are being humiliated.

  61. Join the debate at #bbccricket

    Richard Wilkinson: Go home England, you're drunk...Or just useless…Probably both. Can't wait to hear Cook's excuses later.

    Michael Inch: And that just sums up our day, why not chase another wide one!

    Beach Bum: Buttler as terrible as Bell, Ballance and Lyth at the minute. If you were this bad at work, you get sacked. So should this lot.

  62. Eng 64-6

    There was no need for Jos Buttler to play at that delivery. It was angled across him from the left-armed Johnson, wide and going wider. First ball after the break, maybe leave it alone. Moeen Ali is the next man into the firing line.

  63. WICKET

    Buttler c Nevill b Johnson 11 (Eng 64-6)

    Mitchell Johnson celebrates

    You've got to be kidding. The first ball after tea! Mitchell Johnson, just loosening up, explores the channel outside off stump. Jos Buttler, lead in his boots, meekly pokes an edge through to wicketkeeper Peter Nevill. This is a spineless surrender from England.

  64. Text 81111

    David in London: Please put Boycott into the dressing room and lock the door. Then broadcast it. That'll sort them out!

  65. Eng 64-5

    Australia players celebrate

    Australia, to a man, have smiles as wide as the Tasman Sea. Alastair Cook sits alone on the England balcony, suffering in silence. Mitchell Johnson has the ball, Jos Buttler is in line to fend off the thunderbolts.

  66. Let's be frank...

  67. Post update

    The bell tolls, summoning the players for the final session of the day. Last rites, or desperate claw into Monday?

  68. Post update

    I'm not one for knee-jerk reactions, but England have been three for spit in eight of their last 10 Test innings. Is the microscope on Lyth, Ballance, Bell or all three? If they go, who comes in? Is the cupboard full, or bare? What would your team be for the next Test at Edgbaston?

  69. Looking on the bright side

  70. Post update

    There are 37 overs left in the day, plus another eight if Australia ask for the extra half an hour. England have only faced 28 and have half their men back in the hutch.

  71. Post update

    Australia players celebrate

    What on earth happened there? It's 18 months ago, all over again. At least then we had the option to sleep through. Australia have made this pitch look so docile, you feel like giving it a cuddle, while England's implosion has been inept. As for the run out of Ben Stokes, not running his bat in in order to not be hit with the ball? Village.

  72. Text 81111

    John in Swindon: The potential margin of this inevitable Australia victory will put England's 169 run win in Cardiff into an uncomfortably sharp perspective.

    Ian: I'm not one for knee jerk reactions, but really, what has to happen before Ian Bell's place is under threat? He's got a great record, but so has David Gower. Doesn't mean he should be batting at four in the next Test.

  73. Post update

    With that cheery note from Oliver, it's time for me to sign off. Here's Stephan Shemilt.

  74. Email tms@bbc.co.uk

    Oliver Clark, Bahrain: I don't know which element of England's performance has upset me most.... The lack of penetration and hostility with the ball? The amount of runs hemorrhaged through not having a third man/fine leg for most of the 200 overs in the field? Or is it the top order twice giving away their wickets through a lack of discipline and application? Stokes schoolboy error just now the icing on the cake.

  75. Post update

    Would it break any sort of laws to chuck Boycott into the England dressing room and lock the door?

  76. Post update

    Geoffrey Boycott

    Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    "There was some poor thinking cricket from England. Australia have been hostile, but you'd expect that. You don't expect Alastair Cook to play such a poor shot. You just have to stick in there and bat sensibly. It's very, very disappointing."

  77. Text 81111

    Rob in Manchester: The signs were there in England's second innings in Cardiff. Lost wickets when should've been grinding down the Aussies. Complete lack of mental strength. Unless drastic changes are made, this series could be over well before the Oval.

  78. What about the weather?

    Could the weather help England tomorrow? Not looking likely...

    Weather forecase
  79. Tea scorecard

    Scorecard
  80. Email tms@bbc.co.uk

    Shloime Rose: On my way to Asda to buy a new screen. Threw my mug at it when Stokes was out.

    David in Cheshire: This is one of the most disgraceful and pathetic performances that I've seen in decades of watching England. Changes have to be made, and Stokes needs a kick up the bum for that schoolboy error. Dreadful.

  81. Tea - Eng 64-5

    England's balcony

    What is Trevor Bayliss going to be saying at tea? Is he the type to throw some of Lord's finest china about.

    Suggestions for replacements in this England team include Zafar Ansari, Scott Borthwick, Adil Rashid... what's the criteria? Spin-bowling all-rounders? Moeen Ali would fit into that team too.

  82. Join the debate at #bbccricket

    Peter Nevill

    Dr Rashmin Tamhne: Peter Nevill, Aussie wicket-keeper, has 6 wickets so far in this match: is he heading to a world record for debutant wicket-keeper?

    Good question Rashmin. The answer is he may well be. He needs two more dismissals to equal the record of eight, jointly held by Australia's Brian Taber and England's Chris Read.

  83. Eng 60-5 (Root 4, Buttler 8)

    Gary Ballance

    We've just had a quick look to see where this would rank in England's all-time heaviest defeats. Let's just say there's been a few. OK... a lot. Being an England cricket fan can be tortuous at times. Jos Buttler edges four through third man but that's very inconsequential now.

  84. Join the debate at #bbccricket

    Ian Bell

    Nathan Vickers: Not sure why Bell is invincible for selection. One flash of brilliance then 6-12 months of dross. Bell, Lyth and Ballance for chop.

    Alexander Chilton: Time for Taylor and/or Morgan to come into the team for the next test? Lyth, Ballance and Bell totally out of form.

  85. WICKET

    Stokes run out 0 (Eng 52-5)

    Ben Stokes

    Can it get any worse? Yep... it probably can. Ben Stokes is run out by Mitchell Johnson's direct hit from mid-on. Replays show he didn't ground his bat, despite getting back to his crease in time. He looks like he was trying to avoid being hit by the ball. Awful.

    England look like they've been gorging themselves on Collapso Soup in the dressing room.

  86. Eng 52-4 (Lyon 4-2-5-1)

    Ben Stokes.. has he edged to first slip? No, the ball misses everyone and everything and runs for four byes.

  87. Join the debate at #bbccricket

    Tom C: Don't think wholesale changes are the way to go, but might be worth considering Rashid into side with Moeen moving up order.

    Hillel: Surprisingly few fans seem to realise that dropping players isn't always the answer.

    Adam Mansell: It's (nearly) 1-1. Why do our fans have to throw toys out of the pram? Australia are a good team. Keep the same 11 and win the next un.

  88. Post update

    Geoffrey Boycott

    Ex-England batsman on BBC Test Match Special

    Australia celebrate the wicket of Ian Bell

    "Ian Bell doesn't play defensively very well. He's not capable of blocking, blocking, blocking like Cook. He's better when he's a little fluent, maybe just driving along the floor to mid-on for one. It was very good bowling from Lyon though."

  89. WICKET

    Bell c sub (S Marsh) b Lyon 11 (Eng 48-4)

    Indeed the end could come tonight. Three maidens in a row and then Ian Bell pops up a catch to bat-pad off the spinner. This series is as good as 1-1 now.

  90. Eng 48-3 (target 509)

    Mitchell Marsh is taking some notable scalps in his Test career. His first Test wicket was Shikhar Dhawan and, in this Test, he got out Alastair Cook and Ben Stokes when well set and now Gary Ballance. Bright future.

    After shaking up Joe Root with a helmet rattler early on, he sends down a maiden to the Yorkshire right-hander.

  91. Email tms@bbc.co.uk

    Rob in Farnborough: I seem to recall Sam Robson and Nick Compton being dropped when they had better records than Lyth. Time to have another look at Compton. No room for sentiment in first class sport.

  92. Eng 48-3 (Bell 11 off 47)

    Ian Bell wipes the sweat from his brow either side of some very deliberate defensive shots. He bats out a maiden - which is a good plan. Means he can watch Mitchell Johnson from the non-striker's end.

  93. Text 81111

    Rob Schofield: Hales for Lyth, Rashid for Ballance, Bairstow for Buttler. Root at three and Ali at four.

  94. Post update

    Henry Blofeld

    BBC Test Match Special

    "One wonders what England can do about this. They are hanging on and that is all. They are not taming the Australian bowling at all."

  95. Eng 48-3 (Johnson 7-1-11-1)

    Mitchell Johnson's slower ball in this spell is clocking around 89mph. Like a cold, calculated hitman he is hunting down his kill. You wouldn't want to owe this man a fiver.

  96. Eng 48-3 (Bell 11, Root 4)

    This is frightening bowling from Mitchell Johnson. He bowls one at the throat of Joe Root who pops the ball up but it lands short of the man under the helmet. That was seriously quick. This is what I imagine it was like to watch the great West Indians in their pomp.

  97. Eng 48-3 (target 509)

    The pitch is beginning to look worn - dark footmarks at the batsman's feet and a puff of dust when the ball lands. It's no snake pit though. Even if England are to be beaten here, they can show fight and swell a few individual batting averages. Ian Bell sends back Joe Root when his junior partner attempts a sharp single to backward square. Bell is a little red in the face out there. He's working very hard.

  98. Join the debate at #bbccricket

    James Prez: Joe Root. If you can rescue this game I will name my first born after you. I believe in you. England expects.

  99. Eng 47-3 (target 509)

    Mitchell Johnson

    It's as though Mitchell Johnson is landing the ball on a trampoline as delivery after delivery fly over a ducking Ian Bell and through to the keeper at head height.

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    Stuart Broad and James Anderson

    Jeremy Kent: Lots of comments about England top order but what about the potency of the bowlers? Only managed to get 10 Aussie wickets in 198 overs and some of those were when the Aussies were taking risks to get quick runs! I say get the wicket prepared to make a game for both batsman and bowlers and they try and compete, man for man! We have selected a side - now let them play the five Tests.

  101. Bell dropped on 10

    Eng 46-3

    It's tough viewing this. Ian Bell edges Mitchell Johnson to first slip but Adam Voges, diving to his left, can't quite get there. Neither can the keeper. It went into the hand and out again.

  102. Trouble at the top

    30-4 and 42-3 in this match. England's long list of top-order horror shows is growing.

    England collapse graphic
  103. Eng 44-3 (Bell 10, Root 1)

    What's the scariest job in team sport? Facing Mitchell Johnson when he's got his tail up? Going in for a 50-50 with Roy Keane? Short leg to Chris Gayle?

    Brief respite for England as Nathan Lyon comes on and immediately goes round the wicket, trying to run the ball past the right-hander's bat. He's been doing that for two years and yet it still works. He averages 30 against England.

    Against Pakistan it's 141, Sri Lanka it's 40 and India 37. Anything in that?

  104. Join the debate at #bbccricket

    Peter Brooks: Sorry but Lyth and Ballance need to be dropped. Root to open, Taylor to come in at 3, Moeen at 5, Rashid to come in at 8.

    Angus McPhail: Good option for England at the top would be Zafar Ansari's, opens in the Championship and brings a spin option as well.

    Chris Mitchell: Sadly Lyth will never be good enough for Test cricket and Ballance is just appalling. Buttler struggles too. Hales, Taylor and Bairstow in.

  105. Eng 43-3 (target 509)

    Gary Ballance's scores

    They say the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. England have to seriously consider making changes. My view? Alex Hales in for Adam Lyth. Gary Ballance and Ian Bell have enough credit in the bank. Just about.

    Mitchell Johnson continues his bombardment of the batsmen, Joe Root more than happy to take a single at the start of the over.

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    Jerry in Worcester: Jonny Bairstow gets yet another 50 this season. Moeen up to three and Jonny at six. Sorry Belly, time to go.

    Charlie Drayton: Clarke easily coming out on top in the battle of the captains both with bat and brain.

  107. Eng 42-3

    The England balcony

    Paul Farbrace has the enthusiasm of Mr Tumble, but even he looks a little dejected on that England balcony now. It's the manner of it all which is hard to swallow. The batsmen will cop some flak, but why wasn't the ball whistling through the keeper when England bowled? Maiden for Mitchell Starc.

  108. Post update

    Michael Vaughan

    Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special

    Gary Ballance

    "You have to start thinking that this is a common trend that's been happening for too many Test matches, seeing England 30 or 40 for three. You can't just keep making the same mistakes with the same people. There are options with the batting order, with Moeen at number eight."

  109. Eng 42-3

    Joe Root

    There's an almost funeral-like silence on the England balcony. Everyone sits gazing into the distance. Got to be careful not to catch the boss's eye. Wicket maiden for Mitchell Marsh, who hits Joe Root with a nasty bouncer. The ball almost went through the grille.

  110. Post update

    Michael Vaughan

    Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special

    Australia players

    "You've got to ask yourself, would Australia be delighted to see the same top four arrive at Edgbaston? And I would say they would. In a big series like this, if you start badly, like Adam Lyth, it's so hard to get back in front."

  111. Eng 42-3

    It's all down to Joe Root. Again. We should rename him John Rambo. He does the majority of his best work on his own.

  112. Post update

    Michael Vaughan

    Ex-England captain on BBC Test Match Special

    Mitchell Marsh

    "Mitchell Marsh is a terrific cricketer. That delivery had bounce, movement down the slope, a real good lifter. It's another good move from Clarke - every manoeuvre that he's made had worked."

  113. WICKET

    Ballance c Nevill b Marsh 14 (Eng 42-3)

    Gary Ballance

    All over tonight? Gary Ballance is the latest England batsman to trudge off, the latest to not learn from his mistakes. Stuck in the crease, poking at a decent ball, edging Mitchell Marsh behind. Once again, England are nothing for three, all on a deck where Australia racked up the runs. Pretty poor, really.

  114. Scorecard

    England 41-2 (16 overs) - target 509

    Batsmen: Ballance 13* (31), Bell 10* (17)

    Fall of wickets: 12-1(Lyth 7),23-2(Cook 11)

    Bowling figures: Starc 6-2-16-1, Hazlewood 6-1-19-0, Johnson 4-1-7-1

    Australia 566-8 dec & 254-2 dec

    England 312

    Full scorecard

  115. Sore legs, Shane?

    Michael Vaughan on Instagram: Tough job this commentary.

    Shane Warne makes good use of the complementary masseuse employed by the ECB.

    Shane Warne
  116. Drinks break

    Eng 42-2

    Mitchell Starc beats Gary Ballance's outside edge and starts chuckling. To himself. You know the type of laugh... the one which is half sinister and has you wondering if there's something else he's laughing about. Like, having your shirt on inside-out. A single into the leg side completes the over. Drinks.

  117. Another one bites the dust

  118. Eng 41-2 (Ballance 13, Bell 10)

    If Gary Ballance looks a bit swan-like (feet flapping furiously beneath the surface), Ian Bell actually looks at home against such high-class bowling. You almost feel only he can get himself out.

    A single gets him off strike and Mitchell Johnson resumes his battle with Gary Ballance - trying to zero in on that off stump. He's too full this time and is clipped for a single. MJ chunters back to his mark, gritting those pearly whites in the direction of the batsman. Plenty of 90mph stuff out there.

  119. Eng 39-2 (target 509)

    Gary Ballance looks half flustered but, at the same time, half ice cool. I'm not too sure what to make of his body language, as you might have guessed. He will be feeling much better now through... pushing four through point off Mitchell Starc. He could get 150 here. Or he could be out next ball.

  120. Join the debate at #bbccricket

    Josh Payne: Anyone remember the days when we weren't a wicket down before we had 20 runs on the board #bringbackcompton

    Thomas Knights: Adam Lyth has a massive technical flaw. openers can not continue to get out that way at this level.

    Marcus Trescothick

    Dr Owain Connors: What's Marcus Trescothick doing between the 29th of July and the 2nd of August?

  121. More downs than ups

    Here's what Adam Lyth's skyscraper looks like if you input all of his Test-match scores. Just the one hundred sticks out.

    Adam Lyth's scores
  122. Eng 35-2 (Johnson 3-1-5-1)

    The Aussies, to a man, stand crouched and with their hands cupped together - waiting expectantly for a catch to come their way in the field while Mitchell Johnson thunders to the crease. It must be a great feeling as a fast bowler to know you can instil such fear. Ian Bell does that old batsman's trick of nibbling at one outside off but then quickly moving his bat in front of him to make it look like a deliberate leave. Crafty.

  123. Join the debate at #bbccricket

    Robert Stow: Some of the criticism of Lyth is ridiculous. He's had a bad Test but he's not a bad player.

    Matthew Williams: Those bashing Lyth should remember he has scored heaps of runs for Yorkshire and needs time. Let's not go back to the 90s!

    Matthew Berry: Is it the same people calling for Lyth's head that were so adamant he should replace Trott 6 months ago?Give the guy a chance!

  124. England's opening options

    Alex Hales

    So if Adam Lyth does bite the bullet after four unconvincing Tests, who could England turn to?

    Alex Hales (Notts) Runs this season: 732 at an average of 45.75

    Hales is an already an England opener in short-form cricket - could his strong first-class record this season lead to a Test call?

    Nick Compton (Middlesex) Runs this season: 817 at 38.90

    Compton partnered Alastair Cook at the top of the order in nine Tests in 2012 and 2013, but was dropped after averaging just 32. Time for another go?

    Alex Lees (Yorks) Runs this season: 555 at 29.15

    The next cab off the Yorkshire rank. Has toured with England Lions, but has not been in convincing form this season.

    Angus Robson (Leics) Runs this season: 826 at 34.41

    Remember discarded opener Sam Robson? His younger brother Angus is the leading-scoring English opener in the County Championship this season.

  125. Eng 34-2 (53 overs left in the day)

    To underline Josh Hazlewood's happy knack of being on the money with his line and length, only 34% of his Test dismissals have been caught - the rest have been bowled, lbw or caught behind. James Anderson has taken 40% of his wickets caught and Glenn McGrath 39%.

    Another tidy over - the only blip a leg-side ball which is clipped for four by Ian Bell.

  126. Post update

    Glenn McGrath

    BBC Test Match Special

    "Ian Bell has been having a tough time, but in the second innings in Cardiff he played more like his old self, some quality cricket shots. He's still got it."

  127. Eng 30-2 (Ballance 7, Bell 5)

    Mitchell Johnson

    Does Alastair Cook have a problem against pace? I don't think he does, to be fair, but he's got a while to think about it. Mitchell Johnson is tearing in like a man possessed - that low, slingy action spreading fear through the England dressing room once again. A pandemic without cure, if you like. Getting one to nip into Gary Ballance the ball almost slices the left-hander in half.

  128. Post update

    Phil Tufnell

    Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    "The Australian bowlers look a lot more threatening than the English bowlers on this placid pitch. They've got the batsmen hopping about - you didn't see Warner or Smith hop about."

  129. Text 81111

    Adam Lyth

    Si on holiday in Hampshire: Sorry but there is no way Adam Lyth is good enough to be in the team. He is just a walking wicket.

    Paul H in Kettering: OK - now can we admit the Adam Lyth experiment hasn't worked? Can we get someone else in because, frankly, no one could do any worse....

  130. Eng 30-2 (target 509)

    Since scoring 143 against West Indies in April, Ian Bell's Test scores are: 11 ,1, 0, 0, 1, 29, 12, 1, 1, 60, 1.

    You could say he's due a big one? He and Gary Ballance trade singles while Joe Root sits squeezing his lip on the England balcony. Not again, he must be thinking.

  131. Text 81111

    Tom in North Devon: It's all very well and good slamming Adam Lyth but we have been through four openers in the past four years because of a lack of patience and a lack of nous from our selectors in giving then time to settle. Test cricket is a huge leap from counties and the extra pressure from an Ashes series did for Compton and Carberry and now probably Lyth. He has an issue outside his off stump but that is correctable but we have no time. That's not just on him, the ECB are to blame too.

  132. Eng 27-2 (Ballance 5, Bell 4)

    If England do want an alternative to Adam Lyth, surely there's another opener they can pinch off Yorkshire? They grow on trees up there, don't they?

    England won't have banked on their skipper nicking off so early, and now they have two batsmen at the crease who are in terrible nick - Ian Bell's first ball finding the inside edge and running away for a fortuitous four. Mitchell Johnson ends the over with a sharp bouncer which pins Bell's hands against his bat handle. Nasty stuff.

  133. Post update

    Phil Tufnell

    Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    Alastair Cook

    "A little bit short, a little bit wide. Cook didn't have to play at it, but that's what pace does to you, it makes you have that little involuntary swish. That's a big wicket, Alastair Cook was the man to anchor this effort for England."

  134. WICKET

    Cook c Nevill b Johnson 11 (Eng 23-2)

    Mitchell Johnson

    Unbelievable. England skipper Alastair Cook plays a horrible waft outside off stump and Peter Nevill does the rest. That's the big one for Australia - and Mitchell Johnson knows it. He's jumping around like he's just pulled a £20 note out of the local village tombola.

  135. Eng 23-1 (target 509)

    A television graphic shows Adam Lyth's dismissals against seam this summer - six or seven white dots and only one of the balls was going on to hit the stumps. That's why bowling coaches preach to their students about hitting the top of off stump.

    Gary Ballance gets a cheer when he punches four through the leg side. Mitchell Johnson to bowl the next over.

  136. Wisden editor

    Adam Lyth at least gets some support from Wisden editor Lawrence Booth...

  137. Eng 18-1 (target 509)

    Gary Ballance averages 38 this year, as opposed to 70 last year. Difficult second album and all that.

    He's got a lot to think about as he leans on his bat at the non-striker's end, nervously gritting his teeth. A little something for England to cheer when Alastair Cook opens the face and guides four through point.

  138. Text 81111

    Gary in Notts: And surely that is the last Test match for Lyth.

    Ian in Wilmslow: Lyth, can't bat, can't catch, goodbye..

    Lucy in Sutton: Lyth is going to cost us the Ashes. Surely that is his last Test innings?

  139. Post update

    Sam Sheringham

    BBC Sport at Lord's

    "I was walking round the ground when that wicket fell. Genuinely had no idea Lyth had gone until I got back to the press box. Shows the stunned silence with which the early blow was greeted, as well as the fact that about half of the paying spectators were still lunching on the lawns."

  140. Eng 12-1 (Cook 5, Ballance 0)

    Henry Blofeld

    Henry Blofeld looks delighted with his cake, made by a TMS listener. How fitting if a seagull swooped down and had a nibble of it.

    Michael Clarke and David Warner are in deep conversation, the skipper explaining why he has a specific field for Alastair Cook by playing a pretend shot. One ball later his mind is made up and Warner runs off to short mid-wicket. Clarke smiles with his fellow slip catchers. "It's easier to put him there. Let him chirp to the batsmen rather than us."

    Josh Hazlewood appeals for leg-before against Alastair Cook. Not out. Going over leg stump.

  141. Join the debate at #bbccricket

    Nicholas Waite: Lyth's England career could well be over with that wicket. Ballance and Bell playing for their spots too I feel...

    Justin Pineda: Adam Lyth is a dead weight for England. It's a free wicket when he is batting.

    Hammer GTS: How many failures will Lyth be allowed before he is shown the door? surely better than him out there!

  142. Eng 12-1

    Gary Ballance won't need a shave tonight - he's just had one when Mitchell Starc whistled one past his lugholes. Welcome to the crease.

  143. Post update

    Phil Tufnell

    Ex-England spinner on BBC Test Match Special

    Adam Lyth

    "Lyth has got another good ball. Quick, short, ribcage-high, perfect line, a little bit of natural shape away from him. It just reared up on him. He could have left it on length, but it's one of those deliveries that you don't want early on."

  144. WICKET

    Lyth c Nevill b Starc 7 (Eng 12-1)

    Mitchell Starc celebrates

    Not the start England needed after lunch. Adam Lyth falls in familiar fashion - edging a rising delivery behind to a gleeful wicketkeeper Peter Nevill. It was a decent delivery, to be fair.

  145. Post update

    Henry Blofeld

    BBC Test Match Special

    "Luck is very important. You're not going to make progress against this sort of target unless the little things go your way."

  146. How's stat?!

    In case you missed it at lunch...

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    * The 218.2 overs against South Africa were 8-ball overs.

    * Only includes fourth innings of a match.

  147. Eng 12-0 (target 509)

    Lots of missed heartbeats in England when Alastair Cook almost directs a catch to short leg. Luckily he played it with soft hands and the ball died before reaching the man under the helmet.

  148. Cricket customs at work

    Email tms@bbc.co.uk

    Tom Barker: I get funny looks at 11.11am when I get up and stand on one leg...

    Chris Crilly: Arrive at work with a trunk containing at least four spare laptops. Before starting work, wave each laptop about before selecting the one most appropriate for the working conditions.

  149. Eng 11-0 (target 509)

    Adam Lyth has one of those faces - he looks like he was cheeky at school, the type who left a smelly kipper behind in the teacher's drawer over the summer holidays. He's concentrating hard here, showing Josh Hazlewood the maker's name with one forward push and then whipping one off his pads through square leg for four.

  150. Post update

    Josh Hazlewood has the first over after lunch. Adam Lyth on strike.

  151. Cricket customs at work

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    Simon Arnold in Havant: I would love to introduce sledging at work. It would make talks from our management so much more interesting.

    Chris in Reading: Work's just like the Ashes - lots of effort for a tiny reward.

  152. Post update

    Here come the Australians. Michael Clarke rubs his hands together as though he's walking out to field in Aberdeen in December. I bet he puts the heating on in the summer.

  153. Text 81111

    Andrew: Am I the only person looking at this innings as 100 runs a session? Great pitch, bat sensibly, you never know.

    Julian in Durham: Surely 509 is not a notional target - in five sessions. We should go for it or lose trying - be positive.

  154. Post update

    Before I get accused of having a liquid lunch, let me point out that I was only joking! England will be happy just to bat 150 overs and survive.

  155. Post update

    So, earlier this year England racked up 400 in 50 overs against New Zealand. There's 62 overs left in the day. Twelve overs is enough to knock off an extra 100 runs, right?

    Claim the extra half-hour tonight and it's all done and dusted.

  156. Post update

    Thanks Stephan. Right... good news... I've worked it all out. England will win and we all get to watch the golf tomorrow. Hear me out...

  157. Post update

    Lord's

    Marc Higginson has moved with purpose into the live text chair, ready to take you through the afternoon session. Enjoy.

  158. Cricket customs at work

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    Paul Franklin: I like to think I could represent England at throwing screwed-up paper in bins. I'd like an array of bins no closer than 5m from my desk, and a nice wagon wheel graphic at the end of the day.

    Miles Freeman: On a Monday morning I stick my car key into my computer keyboard and discuss with colleagues how fast it is likely to play and whether it will take spin on the fifth day.

  159. Post update

    BBC Radio Test Match Special

    Former Shadow Chancellor Ed Balls with some early arithmetic memories: "I used to score a whole series and work out the averages by hand, there were no computers or calculators. That can both educate and get children hooked on cricket."

  160. Cricket customs at work

    Text 81111

    Gary Jones in Dubrovnik: When I log on I refuse to type anything if someone is moving in my eye line behind my screen and gesture for them to sit down.

  161. How's stat?!

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    * The 218.2 overs against South Africa were 8-ball overs.

    * Only includes fourth innings of a match.

  162. Cricket customs at work

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    Rhys Phillips: When the office clears for lunch and end of day's play, we hang back to let the best performer walk off to applause.

    John Haggis: There are a few people I work with that I would like to raise my finger to.

  163. Lunch-time scorecard

    Scorecard
  164. Cricket customs at work

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    Richard Heaton: Been caught out at work a couple of times.

    Jon Machell, Greece: I suppose an example of a reverse sweep at work would be to brush the biscuit crumbs off your desk with your non dominant hand!

  165. Post update

    BBC Radio Test Match Special

    Former Shadow Chancellor Ed Balls on his cricketing skills: "When I was 20 I was pretty good, 25 years on my wicketkeeping skills have curtailed, so it is less Alec Stewart and more Petr Cech, I just throw myself at the ball."

  166. Balls up

    Former Shadow Chancellor and part-time wicketkeeper Ed Balls is the guest on TMS this lunchtime.