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Marc Higginson

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  1. Post update

    What an incredible weekend of football. But it doesn't end there - we're back tomorrow for Manchester United's trip to West Brom. All of today's goals will be on Match of the Day 2 this evening - which is on at 22:30 BST on BBC One in England, Wales and Northern Ireland. It's 23:25 in Scotland.

    In the meantime, BBC Radio 5 live's 6-0-6 continues to run. I'll leave you with the thoughts of Malcolm, a Liverpool fan: "Balotelli is the most useless and lazy player I've ever seen in a Liverpool shirt."

    Oh dear. Night!

  2. Post update

    QPR 2-3 Liverpool

    QPR legend Rodney Marsh: Only decision to bench Rio - top performance - best team- very unlucky result - let's have no knee jerk reactions!!

  3. Text us on 81111

    Kris, London: Danny Mills said if you gave penalties for wrestling in the box you'd have to give six or seven a game. And you would, but that's precisely because it currently goes unpunished. Start taking action and players will stop doing it.

  4. Post update

    Another story which caught my eye today was Borussia Dortmund coach Jurgen Klopp criticising his team for playing "pointless" football as they slipped to a third straight Bundesliga defeat.

    Dortmund, who finished as runners-up last season, are fifth-bottom after a 2-1 defeat at newly-promoted Cologne. The poor start has been described as the club's "worst situation in years" by director of sport Michael Zorc.

    "We played a kind of football which is absolutely pointless," said Klopp. "We've got to face the music again."

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    Phil, Poole: Kudos to Ryan Shawcross for telling it how it is. I can't imagine John Terry or Philipp Lahm being called cheats for doing the same thing.

    Dan, Swansea: Actually glad Garry Monk came out and said what he did. Having watched the Stoke penalty again from referee's viewpoint it was a clear dive. Weak refereeing to say the least.

    Andy, Sandbach: I agree with Mr Monk, and I am a mighty Potters fan.

  6. Post update

    In case you haven't seen it already, there's a good feature on the BBC News website which looks at what has happened to the ground where some famous old football stadiums used to stand. Highbury, Ayresome Park and Stoke's old Victoria Ground all feature. As does a picture of a Bolton fan weighing up whether to buy a Burnden Park toilet at auction...

  7. Join the debate at #bbcfootball

    Paul Moore: Liverpool's Martin Skrtel is by far the worst offender for ripping shirts off players backs and dragging them to the ground.

  8. 'Moses should be ashamed'

    Stoke 2-1 Swansea

    Here's more from Swansea manager Garry Monk on Stoke's Victor Moses: "The player should be ashamed. I would not be able to go home to my family and show my face - that is how I live my life, for me it is a disgrace; he should be punished heavily for that.

    He should be punished for that, it was one of the most blatant dives you will ever see, he should be ashamed of himself for diving like that. If my player had done that he would not play in the next game. It has to be eradicated.

    On the referee Michael Oliver: "He is supposed to be a professional referee at the highest level. He's the only guy who thought it was a penalty, everyone in the stadium was amazed.

    "I've sent a DVD off, with a letter, but I've had no contact from Mike Riley. He is clearly not listening and I have to go above him, and hopefully we will get the answers."

  9. Join the debate at #bbcfootball

    Graham Last: Managers with completely different views. A referee can't win.

  10. How's stat?!

    QPR 2-3 Liverpool

    And here are some good stats from the afternoon's first game, at Loftus Road:

    • This was the second match in Premier League history to see three goals in the 90th minute or later of a match, after Leicester City-Arsenal (3-3) 27 August 1997.
    • Liverpool have now conceded eight goals away from home this season - only QPR (12), Sunderland (11) and Crystal Palace (9) have conceded more.
    • Richard Dunne made his 400th PL start, and scored his 10th own goal - he has scored 11 regular PL goals. Dunne has scored the most own goals in the PL, three more than the next highest, Jamie Carragher (7).
  11. Post update

    Stoke 2-1 Swansea

    Here's a little stat for you... Michael Oliver has now awarded five penalties this season, more than any other Premier League referee.

  12. Player reaction

    Stoke 2-1 Swansea

    Stoke defender Ryan Shawcross, speaking to BBC Sport: "Swansea are a good side, they gave us problems in the first half, in the second half we switched it round and were very compact. Once we got the second goal we felt pretty comfortable and deserved the victory."

    On the referee's decision to award a penalty against him for holding Wilfried Bony at a corner: "It is fine if the referee gives them every time I get held in the box. I was grabbing him he was grabbing me, he went down easily, it is part of football.

    "If the decisions are given every single game I will accept it but I very much doubt they will. In the press from previous games I have been singled out and it seems when the bigger players do it it is world-class defending but when I do it is cheating."

  13. Join the debate at #bbcfootball

    Stoke 2-1 Swansea

    Will Moores: "Monk is right, if you don't do your job to a high standard you should be called out. Refs are protected far too much."

  14. Manager reaction

    Stoke 2-1 Swansea

    On the first penalty decision, for Swansea:"I am disappointed because Ryan Shawcross has been highlighted in the media as apparently holding players in the box which is a complete nonsense. I see everybody holding people at corners. The fact that it has been highlighted was maybe in the back of the referee's mind. Wilfried Bony is a big lad, and he goes down too easily in my mind.

    On the second penalty decision, for Stoke: "With Victor Moses' pace in the box, Angel Rangel has come across him and impeded him in my view. It doesn't take too much at that pace. I actually heard him [Swansea manager Garry Monk] say my player is a cheat, which is unacceptable in my view. Obviously he is upset, and we have to come in here and speak 20 minutes after the game but sometimes you just have to bite your tongue, maybe that will come with experience."

  15. Manager reaction

    Stoke 2-1 Swansea

    Stoke manager Mark Hughes, speaking to Sky Sports: "Certainly in the first half Swansea had the best of things, we had a game plan to try and press from the front and one or two were a little reluctant to follow that so we were stretched. In the second half we addressed that and were much better.

    "The guys who came on made a real impact, I am really pleased for them. In the second half I thought we were by far the better team. It's a huge result for us, now we are in the top 10."

  16. Join the debate at #bbcfootball

    Tom Thrall: Grappling someone outside the box would be a foul all the time, so why not in it? Skrtel gets away with it all the time.

  17. Manager reaction

    Stoke 2-1 Swansea

    Gary Monk looks on

    Swansea manager Garry Monk, speaking to Sky Sports: "To come away with no points is disappointing. We had some great chances early on and we had talked about being clinical when coming to a place like this, where you have to make sure the chances you get are goals. Unfortunately we didn't.

    "The first decision is a penalty, Ryan Shawcross had his hands all over Wilfried Bony, he pulls him to the ground. The second is a disgraceful decision. Not in a million years is it a a penalty. And the problem I have now is that this season a lot of match-changing decisions are going against us.

    "I looked straight at the Stoke bench and even they couldn't believe. That tells you everything.

    "It was a clear dive, he has cheated the ref and the referrer has cheated us. And it came at vital time. We should have been in 1-0 up at half-time and then it is a different game."

  18. Full-time stats

    Stoke 2-1 Swansea

    Stoke 2-1 Swansea
  19. Disgusting decision - Monk

    Stoke 2-1 Swansea

    Swansea manager Garry Monk: "Today was an absolute disgusting decision from the referee. Victor Moses should be done for diving, he cheated us.

    "It's happening week after week and it's always against us. I contacted referee's chief Mike Riley but haven't heard anything and I think that's very poor leadership from him.

    "This is the highest level and if they can't perform at this level they shouldn't be there.

    When asked if he feared his comments may land him in trouble he said: "What have I said wrong? I haven't said anything wrong, I haven't called anyone names, it's not slanderous."

  20. Player reaction

    Stoke 2-1 Swansea

    Jon Walters celebrates

    Stoke forward Jon Walters, speaking to Sky Sports: "The first penalty I wasn't too sure of and the second one, I thought he gave it because he gave the first one. It was a hard game. Swansea are a good team with a good manager. We managed to nick the winner, and that is a couple of wins back to back now. About time too."

  21. Post update

    Stoke 2-1 Swansea

    So, Stoke's Charlie Adam believes his side's penalty - awarded when Victor Moses appeared to dive - was a correct decision. To recap, Swansea went into the lead via a controversial spot-kick after Ryan Shawcross was penalised for grappling with Wilfried Bony at a corner. BBC Radio 5 live's Danny Mills believes neither was a penalty - what do you think?

  22. Player reaction

    Stoke 2-1 Swansea

    Stoke midfielder Charlie Adam, speaking to Sky Sports: "Wilfried Bony caused us problems in the first half, there were too many balls in to his feet, but once we got to grips with that we settled in and managed to play and in the end we dominated the second part of the game and deserved the victory.

    "I thought it was a penalty, Angel Rangel stuck a leg out, it's a penalty and it brought us back in the game."

  23. As it stands

    Stoke 2-1 Swansea

    It's the middle of October and Stoke are level on points in the Premier League with Manchester United, Arsenal and Tottenham. They are also above Newcastle, Everton and Aston Villa. And they play good football, too.

    Stoke 2-1 Swansea
  24. Post update

    Stoke 2-1 Swansea

    Former England defender Danny Mills at the Britannia Stadium

    BBC Radio 5 live

    "Mark Hughes will be delighted. His side was poor in the first half, when there were two very contentious decisions. The penalty Swansea were awarded was ridiculous in my opinion and I think the referee evened it up by giving Stoke a soft penalty later.

    "But Stoke were much sharper in the second half and in the end got the win through Jon Walters. They have struggled at home this season."


    Stoke 2-1 Swansea

    Mark Hughes

    A pretty impressive three points for the Potters. Job done for Sparky and the boys. Swansea are now five games without a win.

  26. Post update

    Stoke 2-1 Swansea

    The Swansea keeper is up... but Bafetimbi Gomis fires his free-kick well over the bar.

  27. Post update

    Stoke 2-1 Swansea

    Swansea are awarded a free-kick 30 yards from goal...

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    Stoke 2-1 Swansea

    Everyone back for Stoke. Swansea look like they've run out of steam.

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    Agubata Odinaka: I can now say confidently that there has been a revolution at Stoke City. Their game has definitely evolved. Credit to Mark Hughes.

  30. Post update

    Stoke 2-1 Swansea

    Wilfried Bony from just outside the box. Well wide.

  31. Post update

    Stoke 2-1 Swansea

    Former England defender Danny Mills at the Britannia Stadium

    BBC Radio 5 live

    "Stoke will move up into the top half with this win, and Mark Hughes will be delighted. It would be fabulous for them to finish there at the end of the season. Swansea are going for it. They are pretty much playing a four up front, with Marvin Emnes sat in behind."


    Stoke 2-1 Swansea

    Ki Sung-Yueng looks on

    Ki Sung-yueng tries to bend a 25-yard free-kick into the back of the net, but Asmir Begovic is equal to the effort. Four minutes of time added on.

  33. Join the debate at #bbcfootball

    Sam Williams: I turned on the Liverpool game with 10 minutes to go. Hopefully I'll have the same effect here...

  34. Post update

    Stoke 2-1 Swansea

    Swansea are pushing Stoke back now - the Potters loathe to play too high in case Jefferson Montero gets in behind. Marvin Emnes has a shot which is blocked. I'd say we're coming up to last chance saloon territory for the visitors, but four goals were scored in this period in the Liverpool game earlier.


    Stoke 2-1 Swansea

    A final roll of the dice from Swansea, with Marvin Emnes replacing Gylfi Sigurdsson.

  36. Post update

    Stoke 2-1 Swansea

    Stoke, who have used all three of their substitutes, have a litte worry as defender Phil Bardsley pulls up injured. He'll do his best to solider on, though.

  37. Join the debate at #bbcfootball

    Kevin Threadgold: That has to be one of the worst attempts at a save I've ever seen. What on earth was Lukasz Fabianski doing?

    Steve: Amusingly late dive from Fabianski for the second Stoke goal.

  38. Post update

    Stoke 2-1 Swansea

    Tony Daley

    Back on the subject of wingers, it's great to see players whose sole job is to roast the full-back and put in a decent delivery. Like the good old days of David White, Tony Daley, Peter Beagrie and Anders Limpar.

  39. Post update

    Stoke 2-1 Swansea

    Stoke have their tails up now and Steven N'Zonzi works his way into the Swansea penalty area, but dithers too long and the opportunity passes.

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    Stoke 2-1 Swansea

    Former England defender Danny Mills at the Britannia Stadium

    BBC Radio 5 live

    "Stoke have been in the ascendency in this second half, their attitude has been much better. Angel Rangel gave the ball away for Swansea, Stoke play in a great cross and it is a fantastic header from Jon Walters. He just guides it into the corner of the net. But the defending could be tighter. The goalkeeper had no chance, he just had a little token gesture dive."

  41. GOAL

    Stoke 2-1 Swansea - Jon Walters

    Jonathan Walters celebrates with teammates

    There are three quality wingers involved in this match (73 mins), and it's one of those who might have the final say - Oussama Assaidi whipping in a perfect left-wing cross for Jon Walters to head home from 18 yards out. Textbook.


    Stoke 1-1 Swansea

    Wilfried Bony is booked for a striker's tackle on Stoke midfielder Steven N'Zonzi.


    Stoke 1-1 Swansea

    Victor Moses has to come off because of a little injury and he is replaced by Oussama Assaidi. What with those two and Jefferson Montero, there's some exciting out-and-out wingers being employed in this match. Good to see.

  44. Post update

    Stoke 1-1 Swansea

    Former England defender Danny Mills at the Britannia Stadium

    BBC Radio 5 live

    "It's time Swansea start to just up their tempo a little bit now, and with the substitutions Garry Monk has made they are almost playing with four up front. One of those of course is Wilfried Bony. 17 goals was it that he scored last season?

    "I think it's only a matter of time that a big club comes in for him, because if you play Bony in a quality side he will get even more goals."

  45. Post update

    Stoke 1-1 Swansea

    Jefferson Montero is a quick lad and he leaves Phil Bardsley for dead before cutting the ball across goal where Erik Pieters is on hand to put the ball out for a corner, which subsequently comes to nothing.

  46. Facebook photo gallery

    Have a look at some of the best photos from today's Premier League games on the BBC Sport Facebook page.

  47. CLOSE!

    Stoke 1-1 Swansea

    Swansea midfielder Ki Sung-yueng has two chances to put his side back in front, but his first shot from 12 yards out is blocked and the follow-up is saved by Asmir Begovic. Two good chances.


    Stoke 1-1 Swansea

    Mark Hughes kicks the ball

    "That's a good idea, Sparky (62 min)... I'll make two changes of my own."

    Swansea call for Bafetimbi Gomis and Jefferson Montero. Tom Carroll and Nathan Dyer are hooked off.

  49. Post update

    Stoke 1-1 Swansea

    Stoke win a corner and the home supporters burst into a chorus of 'Are you watching referee?'. There's no shirt pulling in the box this time, though, as the ball finds its way to Jon Walters at the back stick who heads over the bar.

  50. Post update

    Stoke 1-1 Swansea

    Former England defender Danny Mills at the Britannia Stadium

    BBC Radio 5 live

    Peter Crouch controls the ball

    "Stoke have been much better in this second half. They've played with more tempo and more vigour, they've been getting closer to the Swansea players and haven't afforded them the same time and space. It's all down to attitude. Swansea have found it difficult to get into the game."


    Stoke 1-1 Swansea

    Stoke shuffle their pack - sending on Jon Walters in place of Mame Biram Diouf. Stephen Ireland also makes way, for Geoff Cameron.

  52. Post update

    Stoke 1-1 Swansea

    Everything which is good about Stoke goes through Charlie Adam, and the midfielder has a dig from 25 yards but the ball is in more danger of troubling John from Fenton sat in Row D than the Swansea keeper.

  53. Post update

    Stoke 1-1 Swansea

    A clever free-kick from Stoke. Charlie Adam almost rolls it into the six-yard box, totally deceiving everyone, before it's eventually cleared for Phil Bardsley to lash a shot over the bar.

  54. Post update

    Stoke 1-1 Swansea

    Erik Pieters is tripped on the edge of the area by Swansea's Ki Sung-yueng. Free-kick in a decent position for the hosts...

  55. Post update

    Stoke 1-1 Swansea

    Victor Moses is giving Swansea a bit of a headache down that left flank, and another lung-busting run is eventually cut short by a strong challenge. After some treatment, Moses is fit to continue.

  56. Post update

    Stoke 1-1 Swansea

    Former England defender Danny Mills at the Britannia Stadium

    BBC Radio 5 live

    "Wilfried Bony is the difference in this game at the moment, he is holding up the ball and bringing his Swansea teammates into things. At the other end, Peter Crouch is just getting crowded out, and Stoke cannot build any meaningful attacks."

  57. Post update

    Stoke 1-1 Swansea

    Swansea continue to pass the ball about well without actually creating too many chances - Neil Taylor suddenly finding room for a shot which he smashes into the nearest player, Marc Wilson.

  58. Post update

    Stoke 1-1 Swansea

    Former England defender Danny Mills at the Britannia Stadium

    BBC Radio 5 live

    "I can't wait for the next corner now, I can't wait to see what Michael Oliver does. For the Swansea penalty, I understand by the laws of the game that yes you can give a penalty, but who grabs who first? It is very difficult to decide. And from now on you have to give every single one.

    "Then Victor Moses dived. It was never a penalty and the referee must have given it because he knew he had given a soft penalty first time around."

  59. Post update

    Stoke 1-1 Swansea

    Victor Moses is looking a bright spark for Stoke this afternoon - he again sets off on a powerful run down the left but is eventually crowded out by two Swansea defenders. Nice wing-play nonetheless.

  60. Post update

    BBC Radio 5 live 606 phone-in

    The lines are now open to speak to Kelly Cates and Ian Wright.

    They want your reaction to that dramatic finish at Loftus Road - QPR fans - how unlucky were you? Was that a more promising performance?

    Liverpool fans - what do you make of Mario Balotelli's start as a Liverpool player? After that performance - how do you feel about the Real Madrid game in the week?

    Wrighty's also looking for your questions for Ask Wrighty. You can ask them on social media at #AskWrighty.

    Call - 0500 909 693

    Text - 850 58

  61. Join the debate at #bbcfootball

    William Woodland: Why is everybody attacking Michael Oliver for the penalty decision and not attacking Victor Moses for the dive?

    Simon Hancock: Doesn't help Swansea now, but can Moses be punished retrospectively for diving?

  62. KICK-OFF

    Stoke 1-1 Swansea

    Time for another 45 minutes.

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    Duncan, Nottingham: Totally correct for the Ryan Shawcross penalty - well done ref! I like Danny Mills' commentary but you are wrong there my friend and really pleased to see the brave referee give this as it is getting ridiculous.

  64. Player reaction on Twitter

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    Chelsea defender Ryan Bertrand, who is on loan at Southampton: Respect to the captain. 500 games, looked after me from young, from paying for all the young scholars' driving lessons to just being there for any advice a young player needs! #500.

    John Terry played his 500th match as Chelsea captain as the Blues won 2-1 away to Crystal Palace on Saturday.

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    Dan Stanley: Michael Oliver has just undone all his good work. The Ryan Shawcross foul was a penalty, Angel Rangel's not in a million years.

  66. Post update

    Stoke 1-1 Swansea

    Stoke City kit man Neil Baldwin

    Stoke City kit man Neil Baldwin - the subject of the recent BBC documentary, Marvellous, was presented to supporters before today's game.

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    Stoke 1-1 Swansea

    Stoke 1-1 Swansea
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    Stoke 1-1 Swansea

    Former England defender Danny Mills at the Britannia Stadium

    BBC Radio 5 live

    "Michael Oliver needs to get in for half-time, get himself a cup of tea, a shot of brandy - whatever he does just to calm himself down - because he is all over the place at the moment. He is getting booed by both sets of fans. The Stoke players went straight to the referee, and I expect both managers will have serious words with him too.

    "I don't understand how you can give the first penalty because you would have to give six or seven a game. I think he knows he has given a soft penalty and then when Victor Moses throws himself to the ground, when most of the time he would have been given a yellow card for diving, it's a penalty. Very poor refereeing."


    Stoke 1-1 Swansea

    Two penalties, two goals, one referee in the spotlight.

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    James, Cambridge: Not sure what Michael Oliver is doing now. Great call for the first penalty, now he's just given in to fan pressure. Got to be better at this level.


    Stoke 1-1 Swansea

    As ever, when you have two controversial penalty decisions - although I think the first one was spot on - there is extra edge about this match now. And, guess what? Phil Bardsley has been booked amid all the extra spice.

  72. Join the debate at #bbcfootball

    Ben Smith: Absolute nonsense. Ridiculous decision by the referee. Never a penalty. Should have been a caution for Victor Moses' dive.

  73. Post update

    Stoke 1-1 Swansea

    Former England defender Danny Mills at the Britannia Stadium

    BBC Radio 5 live

    "Stoke are very fortunate to get back into it. The first penalty was dubious but the second was even more so. The referee will be surrounded by players from both sides at half-time, because now Swansea are furious.

    "Shocking. Embarrassing. The referee has bottled it big time. He made a mistake first time round but that is abysmal refereeing and two wrongs do not make a right. That is appalling from Michael Oliver. End of story."

  74. GOAL

    Stoke 1-1 Swansea - Charlie Adam penalty

    Stoke players celebrate

    It shouldn't have been a penalty, but Stoke take full advantage of their reprieve as Charlie Adam buries the ball past Lukasz Fabianski.


    Stoke 0-1 Swansea

    Victor Moses wins a penalty

    Victor Moses drives into the box and appears to dive as he gets in front of Angel Rangel. Penalty.

  76. Post update

    Stoke 0-1 Swansea

    Former England defender Danny Mills at the Britannia Stadium

    BBC Radio 5 live

    "Stoke have been fired up by that penalty. They are still playing a little too direct but certainly their attitude has changed considerably, because they had been very lethargic. They thought they would have an easy day of it against Swansea. They could be three down."

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    Ali, Edinburgh: Fantastic to see an official having the sense to FINALLY give a penalty for wrestling in the box, been going unpunished for years. Other referees take note!

  78. Post update

    Stoke 0-1 Swansea

    Stoke attack to the bye-line and pull the ball back where Charlie Adam is waiting to take a pot shot which is straight at Lukasz Fabianski.

  79. Post update

    Stoke 0-1 Swansea

    a rainbow at the Britannia Stadium

    Here's a lovely picture of a rainbow in Stoke. Need I say more?

  80. Join the debate at #bbcfootball

    Cameron Laws: Finally Ryan Shawcross is punished for manhandling! Well done Michael Oliver, great refereeing.

    Greg Edwards: About time someone penalised Shawcross for that, he's at it every week! Top marks to Michael Oliver.

    Adam Cespedes: Well done ref, finally giving a penalty for shirt-pulling. Needs to happen more often!


    Stoke 0-1 Swansea

    Swansea want another penalty, this time when Wilfried Bony is knocked over in the box by Erik Pieters' firm challenge. Michael Oliver correctly waves play on.

  82. Post update

    Stoke 0-1 Swansea

    Former England defender Danny Mills at the Britannia Stadium

    BBC Radio 5 live

    Wilfried Bony celebrates his goal

    "I'm not quite sure what the 'keeper was thinking there, Wilfried Bony was only ever going to put it that side from the way he ran up to it. But it is a suspect penalty for me. I think Ryan Shawcross is very unlucky, and Mark Hughes will be furious.

    "Nobody appealed for the penalty. If you give that one you are going to give five or six penalties a game. Every single player in the box has their hands on somebody."

  83. GOAL

    Stoke 0-1 Swansea - Wilfried Bony penalty

    Wilfried Bony scores a penalty

    Stoke's supporters are incensed about the penalty decision and jeer Wilfried Bony, who steps up and sends Asmir Begovic the wrong way.


    Stoke 0-0 Swansea

    Stoke City players surround the referee

    From a Swansea corner, Ryan Shawcross grapples Wilfried Bony to the floor. Penalty. The defender is booked. Good call from the referee, Michael Oliver.

  85. Post update

    Stoke 0-0 Swansea

    Both sides are quite useful going forward, but there's no killer touch - again emphasised when Stoke striker Mame Biram Diouf barges his way into the area but his shot is blocked by the backside of Neil Taylor.

  86. Post update

    Stoke 0-0 Swansea

    Former England defender Danny Mills at the Britannia Stadium

    BBC Radio 5 live

    "Swansea are well on top but they have to score in this period because Stoke will come back into the game. If you don't score when you are on top, whoever you are playing in the Premier League, the opposition will come back at you."

  87. Post update

    Stoke 0-0 Swansea

    Ki Sung-Yueng battles for the ball with Stephen Ireland

    Swansea are building a little momentum and Nathan Dyer drives at the Stoke defence before firing a shot into the legs of Ryan Shawcross. At the other end, Charlie Adam wins possession and it takes a superb interception from Ki Sung-yueng to prevent Stephen Ireland's pass finding its target in the penalty area.

  88. Join the debate at #bbcfootball

    Shawcross for England?

    Nathan Dyer runs with the ball

    Adrian Mahoney: Ryan Shawcross does not play for a fashionable club, it is that simple. Same goes for Nathan Dyer. Both worthy of a chance.

    Guy: If Shawcross moved to Manchester United, Roy Hodgson would select him without even watching him. It's not right but it's true. Same with Dyer.

  89. Post update

    Stoke 0-0 Swansea

    David Moyes watches from the stands

    "If you were still Manchester United manager we'd be playing against each other tomorrow."

    "That's not funny, Alan."

  90. Text us on 81111

    Shawcross for England?

    Alan Lucas: I can name a few centre backs who have been turned inside out by Zlatan Ibrahimovic (see 6mins). Ryan Shawcross is worth a shot.

  91. Post update

    Stoke 0-0 Swansea

    Former England defender Danny Mills at the Britannia Stadium

    BBC Radio 5 live

    "Stoke have got to up their game here. Stephen Ireland is just having a word with Mame Diouf, telling him to hold the ball up more. If you don't, then the midfielders can't make the runs in behind. And that is where it all comes from. Their forward play is very scrappy at the moment.

    "Swansea on the other hand have a specific game plan and are getting players in behind the Stoke defence."


    Stoke 0-0 Swansea

    Swansea will be aware of Peter Crouch's threat today - the big man has scored in four of his last five Premier League appearances against the Welsh side. The ex-Liverpool man has been quiet so far today, but he does appeal for a penalty when Neil Taylor pulls him back and appears to prevent him from jumping for Victor Moses' cross to the back stick. He had a fair case there.

  93. Post update

    Stoke 0-0 Swansea

    There's a little lull in the action at the moment, underlined by Gylfi Sigurdsson's poor free-kick which drifts harmlessly out of play.

  94. Player reaction on Twitter

    QPR 2-3 Liverpool

    Liverpool defender Jose Enrique: Not very good performance by the team but we will improve from it. The most important thing is we got the three points.


    Stoke 0-0 Swansea

    Mame Biram Diouf of Stoke

    Stoke striker Mame Biram Diouf, who is wearing rainbow-coloured sweatbands on his wrist along with bright coloured boots, juggles the ball before trying an overhead kick which ripples into the side-netting.

  96. Post update

    Stoke 0-0 Swansea

    We've already had the Ryan Shawcross debate (15:48), but I'm going to throw it out there that Garry Monk would one day make a superb England manager. Discuss.

  97. Post update

    Stoke 0-0 Swansea

    Former England defender Danny Mills at the Britannia Stadium

    BBC Radio 5 live

    "Charlie Adam ran pretty much the length of the pitch there - his shot goes wide but before that there was a great move for Swansea. They opened Stoke right up.

    "Stoke appear to have come into this thinking Swansea are just going to pass it around and it will be a nice easy game. They have not started with any tempo or vigour. And once you start slowly it is very difficult to speed things up. Mark Hughes will be very disappointed. It is almost like they have come in complacent, while Swansea are clearly fired up."

  98. CLOSE!

    Stoke 0-0 Swansea

    Some of Swansea's one-touch football on the edge of the Stoke penalty area is more mouth-watering than a Sunday evening rhubarb crumble. They are seriously tasty in the final third and some neat build-up play involving Wilfried Bony and a backheel ends with Ki Sung-yueng firing a low shot at Asmir Begovic.

    At the other end, Stoke are much more direct - but no less effective - and Charlie Adam drives at the heart of the Swans defence before flashing a shot wide.

  99. Post update

    Stoke 0-0 Swansea

    Former England defender Danny Mills at the Britannia Stadium

    BBC Radio 5 live

    Marc Wilson has the ball

    "There is the basis of a good team at Swansea. And this season they seem to be playing more football. I think when Gary Monk first arrived he tried to make them a bit more robust and that maybe wasn't quite the Swansea way. They are good in possession, and play quick-placed football.

    "So far Stoke are sitting too deep. They have to put apply more pressure higher up the pitch, and the missed chance for Gylfi Sigurdsson is a perfect example of why."

  100. Post update

    Stoke 0-0 Swansea

    A decent early opening for Swansea, with Gylfi Sigurdsson being played in on goal but the midfielder decides to try and round the keeper rather than going for the little dink and Asmir Begovic is able to retrieve the situation for Stoke.

  101. Join the debate at #bbcfootball

    Stoke 0-0 Swansea

    Maverick: I remember Ryan Shawcross coming on against Sweden and Zlatan Ibrahimovic made him look silly. I don't think he'll improve the England defence.

  102. Player reaction

    QPR 2-3 Liverpool

    Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard, speaking to BBC Sport: "We wanted to come here and control the game and we didn't do that. To get three points we've got to go away happy, but we've got to consider ourselves lucky. We always stayed in the game. We gave them too many chances in the first half, but we stayed in the game. We created them problems, but from our point of view if we want to finish in the top four we've got to play better away from home. If we perform like that we're not going to win many."

    Gerrard on Mario Balotelli: "He's got to keep working hard and not get himself down. Playing around players like Coutinho, Sterling and Henderson he will get chances."

    Gerrard on Raheem Sterling: "I thought Raheem Sterling was superb. From the media's and the public's point of view, you've got to be behind this kid because he's going to be the best player in the country."

  103. Post update

    Stoke 0-0 Swansea

    An early test for Swansea keeper Lukasz Fabianski, who smothers a dangerous cross into the box from deep by Charlie Adam.

  104. KICK-OFF

    Stoke 0-0 Swansea

    Gary Monk looks on

    Swansea are enjoying a good season, then. But can they do it on a windy Sunday tea-time at Stoke? There's only one way to find out...

  105. Player reaction

    QPR 2-3 Liverpool

    Charlie Austin

    QPR striker Charlie Austin: "We definitely deserved a point, if not three. For the first goal we witched off and for the other two they got us on the break. Bobby Zamora is so strong and he created a lot of chances for us. We certainly had the chances today. We know what we need to do, we need to back the manager and get a win as quickly as we can."

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    Troggy, Sandwich: Rickie Lambert must replace Mario Balotelli. 20 goals a season at Southampton, works hard and involves others. Mario? Zero goals, zero assists and very little work rate and effort. Would love to see his distance covered stats compared to Raheem Sterling's.

  107. Manager reaction

    QPR 2-3 Liverpool

    QPR 2-3 Liverpool

    QPR manager Harry Redknapp: "That's the best I've seen the team play since I've been here. We were naive. You take the point today because, in our situation, it gives us all a big lift.

    "We kept coming back. I just felt we were fantastic today. You organise with a minute to go, thinking we'll take a point, we ain't going to get beat whatever happens. To throw the result away, having worked so hard...

    "Everywhere I thought we were fantastic. Bobby Zamora for 70 minutes or so was fantastic. Today we went after them all over the park and we won our battles in 90% of positions but in the end we got done for being naive.

    "You can only do what you can do. I still feel like we're going to be OK. I'm really positive. Richard Dunne was outstanding in the back. We were solid, but naivety cost us."

  108. Post update

    Stoke v Swansea (16:00 BST)

    Angel Rangel believes Swansea's excellent start to the season has been inspired by manager Garry Monk's winning mentality.

    "We know Garry as a player. He was a winner and a leader and as a manager he's trying to do the same. We have to pay him back with good performances," Rangel said.

    "It's been a great start. We had nine points from nine and then the defeat to Chelsea, which can happen.

    "There's still a long way to go and we have two important games coming up. We played well at Stoke last year. It's one of the stadiums where we can get three points. It's all about on the day, trying to play our best football and getting a result."

  109. Join the debate at #bbcfootball

    Abu Ali: I'm sure Alexis Sanchez and Eduardo Vargas will catch up over the week to discuss their teams' inept defence ruining their work.

    Grant Sheppard: Feeling good about facing Cristiano Ronaldo, Gareth Bale and Javier Hernandez etc on Wednesday night after that. Not. We might need to win 10-9.

  110. Manager reaction

    QPR 2-3 Liverpool

    More from Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers, speaking to Sky Sports: On whether there is a dispute with England manager Roy Hodgson: "No, we don't it is all gone, it has been way blown up. Roy Hodgson and I speak often, he is a good man. My focus is on my players now and preparing them for the next game."

  111. Post update

    Stoke v Swansea (16:00 BST)

    Today's two managers have a little history, with Swansea boss Garry Monk being a team-mate of Mark Hughes' at Southampton around the turn of the century.

    Hughes said: "Of course, I remember Garry. He was a young player at Southampton when I was there and was still making his way in the game.

    "It's refreshing to see how well he has made the step from being a player to a manager - it looks like a good fit.

    "Some players grow into the role but it can take them a while. But Garry seems to have the manner and presence to cope with the demands that come with being a Premier League manager."

  112. Post update

    Stoke v Swansea (16:00 BST)

    Stoke v Swansea (16:00 BST)

    Ahead of this game, Stoke supporters have been putting their names to a Facebook campaign to get their skipper Ryan Shawcross capped by England. More than 2,300 fans have signed the petition. What do you think? Is Shawcross deserving of a call from Roy Hodgson?

  113. Manager reaction

    QPR 2-3 Liverpool

    More from Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers, speaking to BBC Sport: "Good players get booed. That is something Raheem Sterling might get from time to time. But the kid loved QPR in his time here, he decided to leave, he was courageous to come up north and has developed since he came to Liverpool. He has gone on to be a full international player, a player from London who loves QPR, and does everything for Liverpool. His speed and penetration is so important for us."

  114. Post update

    Stoke v Swansea (16:00 BST)

    We'll bring you more reaction from Loftus Road as we get it, but we really should begin to have a little look at Swansea's trip to Stoke. The visitors can knock West Ham out of fourth spot with victory, while Stoke, depending on the amount of goals they score, have the chance to go sixth.

  115. Manager reaction

    QPR 2-3 Liverpool

    QPR 2-3 Liverpool

    Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers, speaking to Sky Sports: "QPR certainly did not deserve to lose. We were lucky to get the win, but we showed tremendous character. We were a bit better in the second half but QPR definitely deserved something from the game. In the first half we had no rhythm, we did not pass the ball, there was no speed in the game, but Joe Allen and Phillipe Coutinho coming on gave us a technical lift and we started to create more. Raheem Sterling was outstanding in his running and in his desire. Overall, we were fortunate."

  116. As it stands

    QPR 2-3 Liverpool

    Liverpool are heading in the right direction. QPR remain rock bottom.

    QPR 2-3 Liverpool
  117. Captain reaction

    QPR 2-3 Liverpool

    Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard: "We're still in shock to be honest. We were very lucky today. We'd have no complaints if we came away with nothing. Our performance needs to be better. It was very bitty, stop-start, the only credit we can give ourselves is that we never gave up. All around it needs improving.

    "We're going to go away really happy, but the big picture, moving forward, is that we've got to improve. Football is a strange game at times and I'm sure all the QPR players and Harry Redknapp are in shock as well. We've conceded two sloppy goals. We're coming up against the best side in Europe in the next week so we need to address that."

    Steven Gerrard (left) with Philippe Coutinho
  118. Text us on 81111

    James, Surrey: Liverpool winning games with Mario Balotelli as their main striker is testament to the rest of the team.

  119. Join the debate at #bbcfootball

    Ewan Grunwald: And that, ladies and gents, is why you never leave a football match early.

    KF: I went to sleep during a drab first half and woke up as Eduardo Vargas made it 1-1. This is my lucky week!

  120. Post update

    QPR 2-3 Liverpool

    Both sides had 15 shots on goal. Did Liverpool deserve to edge it? The stats say so, but I reckon QPR have been hard done by.

    QPR 2-3 Liverpool
  121. Join the debate at #bbcfootball

    Barry Travis: How do you keep extra defenders back from an attack and still get hit on the break? Richard Dunne called Steven Caulker back and he scores the own goal.

    David Howl: Crikey, that's bad luck for QPR. Almost enough of it to be forgiven for overspending their way to promotion.

    Liam Riley: Twice QPR would have been better off leaving it for Mario Balotelli to finish!

  122. LINE-UPS

    Stoke v Swansea (16:00 BST)

    Stoke: Begovic, Bardsley, Shawcross, Wilson, Pieters, Nzonzi, Adam, Diouf, Ireland, Moses, Crouch. Subs: Muniesa, Walters, Cameron, Sidwell, Assaidi, Bojan, Sorensen.

    Swansea: Fabianski, Rangel, Fernandez, Williams, Taylor, Ki, Carroll, Dyer, Sigurdsson, Routledge, Bony. Subs: Emnes, Gomis, Montero, Tremmel, Bartley, Shephard, Fulton.

    Referee: Michael Oliver (Northumberland)

  123. Post update

    Stoke v Swansea (16:00 BST)

    Stephen Ireland is named in the Stoke starting line-up and is one of three changes to the team which lost 3-1 to Sunderland. Erik Pieters and Mame Biram Diouf are the others to get the nod from boss Mark Hughes.

    Swansea City make two changes to the team which drew 2-2 against Newcastle before the international break. Angel Rangel returns from his suspension in place of Jazz Richards and Tom Carroll replaces the suspended Jonjo Shelvey.

  124. Join the debate at #bbcfootball

    Timmy Tour: QPR defenders had one simple message: Don't let Mario Balotelli score! And they did what they had to do to stop him.

  125. Post update

    QPR 2-3 Liverpool

    The Premier League's brilliant, isn't it? Three goals in injury time - four in the final nine minutes. All this just 24 hours after Manchester City beat Tottenham 4-1 in a match of four penalties, four goals for Sergio Aguero and a sending-off. Super numbers, super drama.

  126. Post update

    QPR 2-3 Liverpool

    BBC Radio Merseyside

    Former Liverpool midfielder Jimmy Case: "It was one of those games where supporters will be thinking: 'What happened there? It is all so, so bizarre.

    "There was no clear indication who was going to win that game. It opened up so much and you have to pay tribute to both sides, they played their part and it could have gone either way, but the Liverpool players showed great character to believe they could still win it."

  127. FULL-TIME

    QPR 2-3 Liverpool

    And breathe.

  128. GOAL

    QPR 2-3 Liverpool - Steven Caulker own goal