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Nadal successes at Wimbledon and many hard courts have been hugely helped by slower court speed. As clay has got no quicker Federer has had no such good fortune! His greatest achievement is he is still at the top during a period when court speed changes help his main rival's game and hinder his own.
@121 - You mention the Davydenko 'anomaly', but the very same could be said with Roger vs Nadal, an anomaly that is heavily weighted by clay results, where Nadal is indisputably the greatest clay court player ever. He still is behind Roger in every other aspect apart from H2H and clay titles. So I would not say Nadal is better simply from H2H as per the Davydenko argument.
it went the distance, so it wasn't an easy win. Why are people so quick to say this is the end - we all have off days - is someone like Federer not allowed to? That said - the fact even he has mentioned the R word means he probably won't be playing for that much longer - & the game will then lose a great player & surely no-one would argue with that?
jay05,Nadal did what he had to do and that was raise his game to the point where he beat Federer at Wimbledon. It is that simple and that was an outstanding accomplishment for him!It is much tougher for Nadal to adapt to a quicker court than it is for Federer to adapt to a slower court. It is difficult for some players to develop the patience you need on clay. Patience is a virtue on clay.
Boring discussing about Wimbledon, Paris, clay, grass. We had for so many years the pleasure of enjoying the most graceful and intelligent tennis player. As D.F.Wallace wrote: Genius is not replicable. Inspiration, though, is contagious, and multiform — and even just to see, close up, power and aggression made vulnerable to beauty is to feel inspired and (in a fleeting, mortal way) reconciled.
LivingDeadGrrrl,I'm not really one for GOAT. Too many variables and considerations. It is very clear that Nadal has a rather impressive lead in both matches played against one another and matches won in Slam finals. You are going to come across anomalies like the Davydenko/Nadal comparison in sports. But let me ask you this. Do you really think Davydenko is a better player than Nadal?
@125 - You're correct about court speed at Wimbledon. Last year's court speed index, has AO, Shanghai, Paris (Bercy) and O2 faster than Wimbledon and Montreal almost the same speed. That's just Slams and Masters and all where Nadal has a poor return for a player of his calibre. Wimbledon has been drastically slowed down, which heavily suited Nadal and other baseliners.
armchair59,You bring up an interesting for me. When you look back at the Wimbledon '80 and '81 finals you see Borg serving and volleying A LOT! It is really quite remarkable. Yeah and I think Lendl KNEW he had to at least develop a decent serve and volley game to win at Wimbledon. That 1987 final with Pat Cash was fantastic! Cool to see both Borg and Lendl develop a game for Wimbledon.
Jay05 I take your point - beating the 5 time champion. But Federer managed to win RG on a surface that LEAST SUITS his game - and he did ;beat' Nadal in the tournament by beating the player who defeated him. Nadal in winning Wimbledon in 2008 was not facing his worst surface - fast courts - as Wimbledon had slowed theirs up a great deal since 2000 so IMO not such a great achievement.
I don't suppose Roger might change his mind about the clay season .....
@122,More impressive!!!!!. You got to be joking!. Nadal winning Wimbledon having to get past Federer who won it 5 in a row is way way more impressive than Federer winning it without having to face Nadal. And no Federer would not of beaten him if Nadal was in the way, having failed 3 times previously. Get real man.....
@ 118 Agreed - history cannot be rewritten and Nadal actually won Wimbledon twice which is a great achievement. However to me Federer winning the French is more impressive. RG has always been a very slow surface which Federer still found a way to win on, whereas the fast Wimbledon courts have been slowed down which unquestionably suits Nadal's game more.
A quite astonishing Indian summer may be coming to a close, or RF is just due for a well-earned rest. His game is not quite where it was this time last year, and younger players are finally stepping up, playing the opponent and not the reputation (fantastic though it is). Good luck to all for the rest of the season - true tennis lovers enjoy competitions!
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